"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally
split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether
it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires
the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

tim

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

IIRC The trains that currently turn at Kennington will proceed to
Battersea.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

On 2015\12\29 11:51, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:35:45 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:51, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

The new signalling helps.

But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity,
which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can
optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting
movements. Note that other lines, such as the Central, also have
branches with junctions.

In message , at 12:42:00 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked:

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

The new signalling helps.

But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity,
which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can
optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting
movements.

You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches"
permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue
then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and
that's why it wouldn't cope.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:42:13 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:42:00 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked:

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

The new signalling helps.

But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity,
which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can
optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting
movements.

You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches"
permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue
then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and
that's why it wouldn't cope.

Yes, that's why you'd have to send some trains from both southern
branches to both northern branches.

tim..... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox
Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from
Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway
;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be
given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the
northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but
the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The
split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

No they don't (unless there is disruption). It is not practical to have
regular Tooting reversers in the peak due to the time it takes to empty
out the train before heading into the siding.

Peter Smyth