By Northern Line to Battersea
 

I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

Many a true word spoken in jest. I remain to be convinced that
huge numbers of people are going to use this new extension to a
housing development designed and priced for yuppies.

It's quite possible that a travelator would have been sufficient.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

--
Spud

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

The Northern is to have a significantly larger fleet, and both branches
should have an enhanced service.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally
split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether
it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires
the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

tim

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".

TfL could remember her own history, "The Leslie William Green Line"
(Too easy to confuse with the District), "The Frank Pick Line", or
"The Charles Henry Holden Line".

Please spare us anymore "and City" lines.

Tis a pity that the line will not replace Queenstown Rd and
interchange with Battersea Park. Then, this new line avoids
interchange with other lines at all costs. A sort of reverse of the
Victoria Line approach.

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will
proceed onto the new branch.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

The Northern is to have a significantly larger fleet, and both branches
should have an enhanced service.

Is there spare capacity at Camden Town?

--
jhk

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:28:55 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

The Northern is to have a significantly larger fleet, and both branches
should have an enhanced service.

Is there spare capacity at Camden Town?

AIUI Camden Town has sufficient platform capacity. The pedestrian
tunnels are insufficient for the station's future role as an
interchange.

The upcoming rebuild will resolve that issue.

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

IIRC The trains that currently turn at Kennington will proceed to
Battersea.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

If they want something royal, how about the Annus Horribilis Line?

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".

TfL could remember her own history, "The Leslie William Green Line"
(Too easy to confuse with the District), "The Frank Pick Line", or
"The Charles Henry Holden Line".

We already have a Picc line.

Please spare us anymore "and City" lines.

I'd like the one that serves Goodge Street and Chalk Farm to be called
the Fitzroy Line (yes, I did mean that, not Fitzrovia Line). I'd like
Goodge Street to be renamed Fitzrovia Station at the same time, since
every map and line guide will have to be replaced anyway. I don't think
it's a good idea to have stations and lines with the same name, because
it makes questions like "Is this the Victoria Train" ambiguous when
asked about a train heading away from Victoria, but I think Fitzroy and
Fitzrovia sound different enough to prevent ambiguity. It also starts
with a different letter to any of the existing lines.

I'd be happy for the line that links Highgate with the City to be called
the Whittington Line, although there is already a line starting with W.

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 12:14, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

Indeed they aren't.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 11:51, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 11:18, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will
proceed onto the new branch.

slaps forehead composes himself I knew that. I was just testing.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:35:45 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:51, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

The new signalling helps.

But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity,
which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can
optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting
movements. Note that other lines, such as the Central, also have
branches with junctions.

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 12:39, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\29 11:18, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from
Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but
the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will
proceed onto the new branch.

slaps forehead composes himself I knew that. I was just testing.

Actually, the map on the TfL site says otherwise.
https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...line-extension

But what you're saying makes more sense than their map.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

In message , at 12:42:00 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked:

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

The new signalling helps.

But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity,
which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can
optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting
movements.

You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches"
permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue
then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and
that's why it wouldn't cope.
--
Roland Perry

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:42:13 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:42:00 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked:

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

The new signalling helps.

But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity,
which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can
optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting
movements.

You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches"
permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue
then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and
that's why it wouldn't cope.

Yes, that's why you'd have to send some trains from both southern
branches to both northern branches.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally
split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station.

So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some
going via Charing Cross.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 12:01, Basil Jet wrote:
I'd be happy for the line that links Highgate with the City to be called
the Whittington Line, although there is already a line starting with W.

Alternatively the Stane Street Line, since it follows the Roman road of
that name from Colliers Wood to London Bridge.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally
split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station.

So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some
going via Charing Cross.

That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to
Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way,
there will be more stock, and more trains running.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

In message , at 14:59:43 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked:
But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

The new signalling helps.

But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity,
which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can
optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting
movements.

You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches"
permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue
then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and
that's why it wouldn't cope.

Yes, that's why you'd have to send some trains from both southern
branches to both northern branches.

Some trains to both branches??

Split the train at Camden Town and send half each way?
--
Roland Perry

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that. It makes a mess.

Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea".
--
jhk

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that. It makes a mess.

Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea".

Adrian is obsessed with cross-posting to international news groups, so he
sometimes changes titles in order that the members of those groups know
that these are actually local UK threads that have been parachuted in. It's
also why he justifies using US spellings in purely UK threads.

He's not worried that this annoys others in the original groups, as he
apparently wishes to do so. Given how many people he blocks (or claims to
block), he must have trouble following threads anyway.

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

In message , at 21:19:39 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked:

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that.

Only if your news client ignores the "References" field:

--
Roland Perry

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:19:39 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that. It makes a mess.

Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea".

Because readers in misc.transport.urban-transit may not know that the
"Northern Line" and "Battersea" relate to London, England.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:37:54 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:19:39 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked:

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that.

Only if your news client ignores the "References" field:

Which client are you using Roland? I am using Forte Agent.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:58:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some
going via Charing Cross.

That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to
Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way,
there will be more stock, and more trains running.

Are these new trains going to be more of the same design or will they be
completely new? One would hope the latter given the current 95 stock are
a 20 year old design.

--
Spud

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

In message , at 20:48:54 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked:

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that.

Only if your news client ignores the "References" field:

Which client are you using Roland? I am using Forte Agent.

It's in the headers (again). Turnpike.
--
Roland Perry

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:43:26 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:19:39 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that. It makes a mess.

Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea".

Because readers in misc.transport.urban-transit may not know that the
"Northern Line" and "Battersea" relate to London, England.

They probably don't care either and if they did they'd probably already
subscribe to utl.

--
Spud

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

"Jarle Hammen Knudsen" wrote

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that. It makes a mess.

Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea".

Only if your newsreader wants it that way.

Forte Agent has a profile option to show new thread if subject changes, I
expect you have it ON.

--
Mike D

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:58:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some
going via Charing Cross.

That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to
Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way,
there will be more stock, and more trains running.

Are these new trains going to be more of the same design or will they be
completely new? One would hope the latter given the current 95 stock are
a 20 year old design.

Could be either. They'll be required to be externally similar (doors of the
same size, in the same places, same driving controls) but can have more
modern technology underneath. But, given that it won't be a huge order,
Alstom must have a good chance of winning the contest, with an updated
version of the 95 stock. Some of the order will be for the Jubilee line,
which also needs a bigger fleet to support more frequent services.

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:46:05 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:58:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some
going via Charing Cross.

That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to
Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way,
there will be more stock, and more trains running.

Are these new trains going to be more of the same design or will they be
completely new? One would hope the latter given the current 95 stock are
a 20 year old design.

Could be either. They'll be required to be externally similar (doors of the
same size, in the same places, same driving controls) but can have more
modern technology underneath. But, given that it won't be a huge order,
Alstom must have a good chance of winning the contest, with an updated

That would be logical. However TfL and logic are only nodding aquaintances.
I refer you to the 2009 stock that they made too big to run on the piccadilly
line so has to be carted in and out of northumberland park by lorry , then
they go and waste the few inches of extra space with extra thick interior
decor.

version of the 95 stock. Some of the order will be for the Jubilee line,
which also needs a bigger fleet to support more frequent services.

Would be nice if they made them walk through. God knows, the northern line
trains need every bit of extra space they can get in the rush hour.

--
Spud

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:41:17 GMT, d wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:43:26 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:19:39 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea

Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each
time you do that. It makes a mess.

Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea".

Because readers in misc.transport.urban-transit may not know that the
"Northern Line" and "Battersea" relate to London, England.

They probably don't care either and if they did they'd probably already
subscribe to utl.

As someone who is following the thread with interest on
misc.transport.urban-transit and who doesn't want to follow another
newsgroup, I appreciate the cross=posting. Residing in Canada, I'm
used to both US and British spellings and really don't care which are
used.

Clark Morris