New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Be...ailway_station

"Construction work is likely to start before the end of 2015"

Did it start? When is the station due to open?

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My mother, who would have been 100 on Christmas Eve if she were still alive, lived close to the Peckham arm as a child. I remember there being a hump in a road visible from a bus where the road passed over the route of the canal. I think it was finally removed some years ago.

Surely the canal would have carried timber from the docks, not to them as the article says?

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On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 3:04:37 PM UTC, wrote:
My mother, who would have been 100 on Christmas Eve if she were still alive, lived close to the Peckham arm as a child. I remember there being a hump in a road visible from a bus where the road passed over the route of the canal. I think it was finally removed some years ago.

Surely the canal would have carried timber from the docks, not to them as the article says?

Family legend has it that between 1920-1940 my maternal grandfather was retained by two boroughs (not sure which) to pull human and animal corpses out of the canal; he got five bob from one and seven-and-six from the other, and, so the story goes, if a body was near the borough boundary he was not averse to prior to recovery punting it along with his long pole until it crossed into the highing-paying borough.

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On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 4:32:22 PM UTC, contrex wrote:
highing-paying borough.

That's 'higher-paying borough'...

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On 26/12/2015 15:04, wrote:
My mother, who would have been 100 on Christmas Eve if she were still alive, lived close to the Peckham arm as a child. I remember there being a hump in a road visible from a bus where the road passed over the route of the canal. I think it was finally removed some years ago.

Surely the canal would have carried timber from the docks, not to them as the article says?

Indeed, most large timber yards were on canals, it was the only way that
really large amounts of wood could be easily transported, the timber
yard in Peckham Hill St backs onto what used to be known as Canal Head,
where the canal terminated in Peckham. Not far down the road in
Willowbrook Road there is still a canal bridge, that part of the old
canal track is now a pleasant foot and bicycle path, it also ran east
west through what is now Burgess Park, there are stil the realtively
preserved remaims of what was probably a lime kiln, though it could have
been a brick kiln, someone here will know for sure.
--
Martin

replies to newsgroup only please.

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On 31.12.15 20:18, Martin Smith wrote:
On 26/12/2015 15:04, wrote:
My mother, who would have been 100 on Christmas Eve if she were still
alive, lived close to the Peckham arm as a child. I remember there
being a hump in a road visible from a bus where the road passed over
the route of the canal. I think it was finally removed some years ago.

Surely the canal would have carried timber from the docks, not to them
as the article says?

Indeed, most large timber yards were on canals, it was the only way that
really large amounts of wood could be easily transported, the timber
yard in Peckham Hill St backs onto what used to be known as Canal Head,
where the canal terminated in Peckham. Not far down the road in
Willowbrook Road there is still a canal bridge, that part of the old
canal track is now a pleasant foot and bicycle path, it also ran east
west through what is now Burgess Park, there are stil the realtively
preserved remaims of what was probably a lime kiln, though it could have
been a brick kiln, someone here will know for sure.

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

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In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016,
" remarked:

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may have
ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has commercial
traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been pretty
much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail), unless the
goods you refer to are holidaymakers.
--
Roland Perry

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On 2016\01\01 23:58, wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago.

Here's one loading at a harbour next to Cannon Street Station.

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In message , at 17:58:43
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

Trams, and possibly trains, are delivered by sea to the docks at
Dartford. But that's hardly "inland". Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 17:58:43
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

Trams, and possibly trains, are delivered by sea to the docks at
Dartford. But that's hardly "inland". Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

The Thames is tidal till Teddington Lock and loses its sea salt between
Battersea and Gravesend,
--
Bryan Morris
Public Key http://www.pgp.uk.demon.net - 0xCC6237E9

I thought the spoil from Crossrail was taken away from London
by barge.

Water transport is far cheaper than road or rail if the product
is already alongside the water. It's the transhipment (re-loading)
costs which killed river and barge freight. There are many products
where speed of delivery is not critical, and with bulk transport it is
often worthwhile producing the product early to gain the savings
on transport.

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On 01.01.16 17:59, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016,
" remarked:

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may have
ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has commercial traffic.

I was referring primarily to inland waterways, such as the Grand Union
or even Caledonian.

I also wonder if any freight travels along the Göta Canal, in Sweden.

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On 2016\01\02 10:14, Robin9 wrote:
;152800 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:
-
In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:
-
Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?-

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.-

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a

child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into

Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

I thought the spoil from Crossrail was taken away from London
by barge.

Water transport is far cheaper than road or rail if the product
is already alongside the water.

Even when you add in the wages of the staff, which will be ten times as
much for the boat, since the boat takes ten times as long to do the same
distance?

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
17:58:43 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

Trams, and possibly trains, are delivered by sea to the docks at
Dartford. But that's hardly "inland". Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

That would exclude the whole of the Thames in London. The traditional
boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool of London, between
Tower and London Bridges.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In message , at 10:25:21
on Sat, 2 Jan 2016, remarked:
Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

That would exclude the whole of the Thames in London.

In central London. The river upstream of Teddington is still in London
(Boroughs of Richmond or Kingston depending on which side of the river).

The traditional boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool
of London, between Tower and London Bridges.

For what purposes? BWB licences, for example.
--
Roland Perry

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2016\01\02 10:14, Robin9 wrote:
;152800 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:
-
In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:
-
Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?-

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.-

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

I thought the spoil from Crossrail was taken away from London
by barge.

Water transport is far cheaper than road or rail if the product
is already alongside the water.

Even when you add in the wages of the staff, which will be ten times
as much for the boat, since the boat takes ten times as long to do
the same distance?

Probably fewer staff per tonne though. So cheaper for high tonnages.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
10:25:21 on Sat, 2 Jan 2016, remarked:
Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

That would exclude the whole of the Thames in London.

In central London. The river upstream of Teddington is still in
London (Boroughs of Richmond or Kingston depending on which side of
the river).

The traditional boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool
of London, between Tower and London Bridges.

For what purposes? BWB licences, for example.

Not sure, just the rule as I learned it as a nipper. I think the PLA's
authority doesn't extend upstream of London Bridge.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On 2016\01\03 00:03, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2016\01\02 10:14, Robin9 wrote:
;152800 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:
-
In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:
-
Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?-

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.-

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

I thought the spoil from Crossrail was taken away from London
by barge.

Water transport is far cheaper than road or rail if the product
is already alongside the water.

Even when you add in the wages of the staff, which will be ten times
as much for the boat, since the boat takes ten times as long to do
the same distance?

Probably fewer staff per tonne though. So cheaper for high tonnages.

Are you talking about ocean-going ships? Canal boats can't hold as much
as a train, and I doubt they could even hold as much as a lorry.

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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\01\03 00:03, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2016\01\02 10:14, Robin9 wrote:
;152800 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:
-
In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:
-
Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?-

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.-

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

I thought the spoil from Crossrail was taken away from London
by barge.

Water transport is far cheaper than road or rail if the product
is already alongside the water.

Even when you add in the wages of the staff, which will be ten times
as much for the boat, since the boat takes ten times as long to do
the same distance?

Probably fewer staff per tonne though. So cheaper for high tonnages.

Are you talking about ocean-going ships? Canal boats can't hold as much
as a train, and I doubt they could even hold as much as a lorry.

Surely more than a lorry?

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 02:54:30 on Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Recliner
remarked:

Canal boats can't hold as much
as a train, and I doubt they could even hold as much as a lorry.

Surely more than a lorry?

A narrowboat and butty carry about 52 tons between them.
--
Roland Perry

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In article ,
() wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:47:45 -0600,
wrote:

The traditional boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool
of London, between Tower and London Bridges.

For what purposes? BWB licences, for example.
BWB and its successor have never been involved with licences for the
Thames, over the years the non tidal bit has been controlled by the
Thames Conservancy, Thames Water,National Rivers and now the
Environmental Agency. You have to get a separate licence for the
Thames. quite straight forward to visit nowadays as since the BWB boat
safety examinations were brought in a few decades ago the Thames
operators will accept the BWB /CART certificate for a visit on the non
tidal section. PLA on the tidal bit may require a bit more like a vhf
radio to be available.
Before any old tub could be on a canal but not pass the Thames
requirements
Not sure, just the rule as I learned it as a nipper. I think the PLA's
authority doesn't extend upstream of London Bridge.

I don't know if they have always used the same boundary points but
pilots for ships have different areas over which their knowledge
applies . The PLA website at the moment states they have 12 who are
River Pilots working between Gravesend and London Bridge and in
addition 3 Bridge pilots who have the ability to Pilot up to Putney
Bridge. Others will be qualified to navigate the channels from the
open sea , some may be qualified for more than one zone.
That could be why you have heard London Bridge mentioned as a boundary
but it is not the PLA one,they have only employed the Pilots
themselves since the 1980's
The PLA covers the tidal Thames up to Teddington where there is a
marker post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_o...File:PLAmarker.
JPG

Thanks for putting me right.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message

-septembe
r.org, at 02:54:30 on Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Recliner
remarked:

Canal boats can't hold as much
as a train, and I doubt they could even hold as much as a lorry.

Surely more than a lorry?

A narrowboat and butty carry about 52 tons between them.

Shall we say 2 lorries?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

With the larger lorries in use today I think 3 could probably do the job of a pair of narrowboats. The lorries would each need a driver and could do London to Birmingham as an example in about half a day, so about 1.5 working days worth of labour. London to Birmingham by canal normally takes about six days and the pair of boats would be worked by a crew of two, so about twelve working days worth of labour.

'Fly' boats working through the night could do the trip in about 52 hours, but then you'd need extra crew to work the extra hours. Given that there are about 100 locks to work through between London and Birmingham this timing was pretty good.

You can walk from London to Birmingham along the towpath, as I have done many years ago when I had better legs, in about the same time as it takes by normal boats.

About the only way to get the costs down would be much larger craft, which would need much bigger canals.

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On 03.01.16 17:18, wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 08:41:28 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 02:54:30 on Sun, 3 Jan 2016, Recliner
remarked:

Canal boats can't hold as much
as a train, and I doubt they could even hold as much as a lorry.

Surely more than a lorry?

A narrowboat and butty carry about 52 tons between them.

Usually a Motor and Butty would have a minimum of two working it
,often the boatmens wife so that is 26 tons per person, Far less than
most lorries. It isn't just a problem for the small dimensioned
canals of most of the British interconnected system the small gauge
being a result of available water supplies. When I first got
interested into Canals commercial traffic on the UK system had albeit
finished except for the odd hobby operation and the Roses Lime juice
run which finished in 1981, so we looked a little in envy at the
Peniches in France which were still earning their keep on waterways
many of which conformed to the Freycinet standard that the French
Government imposed in the1890's. This standard allows vessels of a
size that will carry around 300 Tonnes. Best part of 45 years later
even those canals are now carrying a fraction of the traffic they once
did unable to compete with road. Canals like railways especially
larger size waterways have staff off the vehicle to pay as well,Lock
keepers,Bridge operators ,dredger crews etc etc. and then you have
transshipment costs.
Inland Waterways really only start to become economic with bulk loads
in vessels carrying 1000's rather than 100's of tonnes. You see them
on the Continent because such craft can use Rivers like the Rhine or
the Seine which penetrate the hinterlands for far greater distances
that we have available in the UK. Some modern (ised) really large
artificial navigations do exist but really work in conjunction with
the rivers such as the Rhine Danube Canal finally finished in the
1990's after 30 years of construction. Even than has seen a drop in
traffic .
We have a bit of a romantic notion with canals in the UK
gaily painted boats crewed by a family living on them, the reality
that with the coming of the railways most canal boatmens wages dropped
so much that they could no longer afford to rent a house for the
family so that family had to cram in a small cramped cabin in not
ideal living conditions. Before then boats were operated by two paid
males though one was often just in their teens.
And our small canals are "pretty" , building something that could
carry economic sized vessels would involve more disruption than HS2 or
a Motorway. Not that we have enough water for one any way. The
Continent have the Alps to gather theirs.

G.Harman


I wasn't talking about building anything new, rather than using the
existing infrastructure like the Grand Union or Caledonian.

It would not surprise me if a couple of hipsters would try to use the
canal to ship goods to their start up business to show how
environmentally friendly they are and thus better market themselves as
well as to justify their extortionate prices.

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There was traffic on the Grand Union from 2003 shipping gravel from a pit near Denham to a depot at Stockley Park. I believe that the pit is now worked out and the traffic has ceased.

There is still barge traffic on the Thames tideway delivering aggregates but the wharfs are tidal.

In the rest of the country there are still deliveries to wharfs on the lower part of the Manchester Ship Canal. I think that there is still some bulk traffic onto the various tributaries of the Humber which can take 480 tonne capacity barges.

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In article ,
() wrote:

With the larger lorries in use today I think 3 could probably do the
job of a pair of narrowboats. The lorries would each need a driver
and could do London to Birmingham as an example in about half a day,
so about 1.5 working days worth of labour. London to Birmingham by
canal normally takes about six days and the pair of boats would be
worked by a crew of two, so about twelve working days worth of labour.

'Fly' boats working through the night could do the trip in about 52
hours, but then you'd need extra crew to work the extra hours. Given
that there are about 100 locks to work through between London and
Birmingham this timing was pretty good.

You can walk from London to Birmingham along the towpath, as I have
done many years ago when I had better legs, in about the same time as
it takes by normal boats.

About the only way to get the costs down would be much larger craft,
which would need much bigger canals.

You're obsessed with narrow boats again. This thread was about barges and
lighters on the Thames.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On 03/01/2016 22:02, wrote:
In article ,
() wrote:

Snipped vaguely interesting bit on boats

You're obsessed with narrow boats again. This thread was about barges and
lighters on the Thames.


And you are obsessed with Cambridge, in particular the taxi service
therein (and yes I know it's not meant to be called a taxi service), but
we have to put up with it...

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On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 09:23:02 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
'Fly' boats working through the night could do the trip in about 52 hours, =
but then you'd need extra crew to work the extra hours. Given that there a=
re about 100 locks to work through between London and Birmingham this timin=
g was pretty good.

You can walk from London to Birmingham along the towpath, as I have done ma=
ny years ago when I had better legs, in about the same time as it takes by =
normal boats.

About the only way to get the costs down would be much larger craft, which =
would need much bigger canals.

The French managed it 100 years before our canals were even started. We always
do build too small in this country presumably because the upfront costs are
always considered more important that the long term revenue.

--
Spud

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 03/01/2016 22:02, wrote:
In article ,
() wrote:

Snipped vaguely interesting bit on boats

You're obsessed with narrow boats again. This thread was about barges
and lighters on the Thames.

And you are obsessed with Cambridge, in particular the taxi service
therein (and yes I know it's not meant to be called a taxi service),
but we have to put up with it...

Eh? We have no freight traffic to speak of on the Cam.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On 2016\01\03 22:02, wrote:
In article ,
() wrote:

With the larger lorries in use today I think 3 could probably do the
job of a pair of narrowboats. The lorries would each need a driver
and could do London to Birmingham as an example in about half a day,
so about 1.5 working days worth of labour. London to Birmingham by
canal normally takes about six days and the pair of boats would be
worked by a crew of two, so about twelve working days worth of labour.

'Fly' boats working through the night could do the trip in about 52
hours, but then you'd need extra crew to work the extra hours. Given
that there are about 100 locks to work through between London and
Birmingham this timing was pretty good.

You can walk from London to Birmingham along the towpath, as I have
done many years ago when I had better legs, in about the same time as
it takes by normal boats.

About the only way to get the costs down would be much larger craft,
which would need much bigger canals.

You're obsessed with narrow boats again. This thread was about barges and
lighters on the Thames.


If only Usenet threads allowed the creator to specify a subject line.

Anyway, I've just looked for New Bermondsey and Surrey Canal on the TfL
website and drawn a blank. It is also noticeably absent on
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/london-over...d?intcmp=32665
, so I'm thinking it's not happening at all. I'm not surprised, it was
only proposed in the first place to shut up the locals about the new
railway being cut through their neighbourhood, so now that TfL has got
its railway built the compensatory measure is forgotten.

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 13:09:48 +0000
wrote:
existed as complimentary wet Branches to the railway system many
operated by people forced to live in what would now be classed as
poverty conditions.a good number ended up in Railway ownership anyway.

I'm not sure what the conditions would be classed as today, since apparently
"poverty" now means you can only afford a 32 inch TV instead of a 40 inch one
and have to make do with the bare minimum Chav^H^H^H^HSky TV package.

--
Spud

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote

And you are obsessed with Cambridge,

Eh? We have no freight traffic to speak of on the Cam.


Was there ever ?

And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?


--
Mike D

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In article , (Michael R N
Dolbear) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote

And you are obsessed with Cambridge,

Eh? We have no freight traffic to speak of on the Cam.


Was there ever ?

And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?

Tidal no, but coal to the generating station came in by river until it
closed in 1966. It was still the distribution point for supplies in central
Cambridge until after I arrived and was surprised to find 210v (nominally,
actually 205v) electricity again, it having gone from Putney in the 1950s.
My landlord when I graduated and rented my first bedsitter in 1972 still had
most of his free issue of replacement light bulbs.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In message , at 21:22:31 on Mon, 4 Jan
2016, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:
And you are obsessed with Cambridge,

Eh? We have no freight traffic to speak of on the Cam.

Was there ever ?

Yes, all the way up to the Mill.

http://www.queens.cam.ac.uk/files/st...sex_building_-
_baldrey_1804_at_25.jpg?itok=TXqI490V

And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?

It's an awfully long way from the sea, so no.
--
Roland Perry

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:36:42 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:22:31 on Mon, 4 Jan
2016, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:
And you are obsessed with Cambridge,

Eh? We have no freight traffic to speak of on the Cam.

Was there ever ?

Yes, all the way up to the Mill.

http://www.queens.cam.ac.uk/files/st...sex_building_-
_baldrey_1804_at_25.jpg?itok=TXqI490V

And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?

It's an awfully long way from the sea, so no.

That doesn't mean a lot. The Thames would be tidal all the way into Berkshire
if it wasn't for the lock at Teddington. What matters is whether a given
part of the river is above high tide level.

--
Spud

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On 2016\01\05 07:36, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:22:31 on Mon, 4 Jan
2016, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:
And you are obsessed with Cambridge,

Eh? We have no freight traffic to speak of on the Cam.

Was there ever ?

Yes, all the way up to the Mill.

http://www.queens.cam.ac.uk/files/st...sex_building_-
_baldrey_1804_at_25.jpg?itok=TXqI490V

And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?

It's an awfully long way from the sea

Horizontally, maybe!

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In message , at 09:26:14 on Tue, 5 Jan
2016, d remarked:

And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?

It's an awfully long way from the sea, so no.

That doesn't mean a lot. The Thames would be tidal all the way into Berkshire
if it wasn't for the lock at Teddington. What matters is whether a given
part of the river is above high tide level.

No, it also depends on things like the width of the river and whether
there's enough time for the tidal waters to get that far upstream before
the tide turns.

As for the vertical height, according to Environment Agency data the
river in Cambridge is typically 5.1m above sea level.

Denver Sluice was built in 1591 to bar tidal waters any further
upstream. Newton was born in 1623.
--
Roland Perry

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 08:29:54 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:26:14 on Tue, 5 Jan
2016, d remarked:

And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?

It's an awfully long way from the sea, so no.

That doesn't mean a lot. The Thames would be tidal all the way into Berkshire
if it wasn't for the lock at Teddington. What matters is whether a given
part of the river is above high tide level.

No, it also depends on things like the width of the river and whether
there's enough time for the tidal waters to get that far upstream before
the tide turns.

Salt water rarely travels far upstream. What happens is that the water in the
river starts to back up and that can happen pretty quickly depending on the
flow rate.

--
Spud

New Bermondsey station (Surrey Canal Road)
 

In message , at 09:27:15 on Wed, 6 Jan
2016, d remarked:
And was the Cam ever tidal, say in Newton's time, at Cambridge ?

It's an awfully long way from the sea, so no.

That doesn't mean a lot. The Thames would be tidal all the way into Berkshire
if it wasn't for the lock at Teddington. What matters is whether a given
part of the river is above high tide level.

No, it also depends on things like the width of the river and whether
there's enough time for the tidal waters to get that far upstream before
the tide turns.

Salt water rarely travels far upstream. What happens is that the water in the
river starts to back up and that can happen pretty quickly depending on the
flow rate.

Well, ignoring the four locks in the way (yes, three of those are
post-Newton) you won't get a backup all 40 miles to Cambridge on a river
flowing as slowly as the Cam (it rarely exceeds 6 cubic metres a
second).
--
Roland Perry