Am i right in thinking that there isn't a rail replacement bus for the
northern line this evening (until the N20 starts)? The TfL website says
"Valid Underground tickets will then be accepted on all existing local bus
routes to connect you with shuttle services", suggesting that there
aren't. Since there aren't any existing routes which do the same route as
the northern line, this makes certain trips very hard to do.

Thanks,
tom

--
"In the long run, we are all dead." -- John Maynard Keynes

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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Am i right in thinking that there isn't a rail replacement bus for the
northern line this evening (until the N20 starts)? The TfL website says
"Valid Underground tickets will then be accepted on all existing local bus
routes to connect you with shuttle services", suggesting that there
aren't. Since there aren't any existing routes which do the same route as
the northern line, this makes certain trips very hard to do.

Thanks,
tom

--
"In the long run, we are all dead." -- John Maynard Keynes

There is no "replacement service"

Tom Anderson wrote:
Am i right in thinking that there isn't a rail replacement bus for the
northern line this evening (until the N20 starts)? The TfL website
says "Valid Underground tickets will then be accepted on all existing
local bus routes to connect you with shuttle services", suggesting
that there aren't. Since there aren't any existing routes which do
the same route as the northern line, this makes certain trips very
hard to do.

Such as?

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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(Tom Anderson) wrote:

Am i right in thinking that there isn't a rail replacement bus for the
northern line this evening (until the N20 starts)? The TfL website says
"Valid Underground tickets will then be accepted on all existing local
bus
routes to connect you with shuttle services", suggesting that there
aren't. Since there aren't any existing routes which do the same route
as
the northern line, this makes certain trips very hard to do.

Thanks,
tom

--
"In the long run, we are all dead." -- John Maynard Keynes


All trips should be possible by bus, it just means that there may be one
or more changes necessary. Not the ideal situation, but obviously cheaper
than providing buses for a relatively short period.

Roger

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In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

Am i right in thinking that there isn't a rail replacement bus for the
northern line this evening (until the N20 starts)? The TfL website says
"Valid Underground tickets will then be accepted on all existing local
bus
routes to connect you with shuttle services", suggesting that there
aren't. Since there aren't any existing routes which do the same route
as
the northern line, this makes certain trips very hard to do.

Thanks,
tom

--
"In the long run, we are all dead." -- John Maynard Keynes


All trips should be possible by bus, it just means that there may be one
or more changes necessary. Not the ideal situation, but obviously cheaper
than providing buses for a relatively short period.

Roger

If a person wanted to travel from West Finchley to Goodge Street. Could you
tell me the best buses to take.

Yes the company was saving money not providing a replacement service but
there would have been a large amount of people inconvenienced last night.

If you think that it was not widely known about until Monday evening there
would be a large amount of customers and staff who did not know until too
late.

Communication failed, as the only indication about the shut down was sent to
Group Station Managers on Friday about 16.00 by e.mail. These e.mails would
not have been read until Monday morning as these managers do not work at
weekends.
My first indication of anything going on was from the news group.

Finally it has not yet been made public what caused the incident in the
first place. It may not have anything to do with the track. It may have been
a problem with the train design or a combination of track layout and train
design. Lets hope March 7 is a success because I can guarantee there will be
a lot of positive publicity. The underground seems to be run by spin doctors
recently so lets hope words save lives.

Anon wrote:

Finally it has not yet been made public what caused the incident in
the first place.

If you are referring to the Camden Town derailment, the final report was
published on 2 Feb 2004. See the LU press release at
http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/press...es/0402/02.asp

"The derailment can be explained by a rare combination of a design
weakness in the points on which it happened and a number of other
factors. ... The design weakness meant that a derailment could occur
when the type of switchblade used at Camden Town 20B points was
installed:

- in facing points; and
- the track leading into the points was sharply curved; and
- the switchblade was not significantly worn; and
- friction levels between wheels and rails were high, then
- wheels tended to climb over the switchblade.
- All of these conditions applied at Camden Town. ...
A revised switchblade design, that eliminates the weakness that led to
the derailment, is now being refined and validated before being
introduced."

There was also an issue with the adjustment of the first bogie that
derailed, which made it less tolerant to the unusual conditions at 20B
points.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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wrote in message
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In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

Am i right in thinking that there isn't a rail replacement bus for
the
northern line this evening (until the N20 starts)? The TfL website
says
"Valid Underground tickets will then be accepted on all existing
local
bus
routes to connect you with shuttle services", suggesting that there
aren't. Since there aren't any existing routes which do the same
route
as
the northern line, this makes certain trips very hard to do.

Thanks,
tom

--
"In the long run, we are all dead." -- John Maynard Keynes


All trips should be possible by bus, it just means that there may be
one
or more changes necessary. Not the ideal situation, but obviously
cheaper
than providing buses for a relatively short period.

Roger

If a person wanted to travel from West Finchley to Goodge Street. Could
you
tell me the best buses to take.

Yes the company was saving money not providing a replacement service but
there would have been a large amount of people inconvenienced last
night.

If you think that it was not widely known about until Monday evening
there
would be a large amount of customers and staff who did not know until
too
late.

Communication failed, as the only indication about the shut down was
sent to
Group Station Managers on Friday about 16.00 by e.mail. These e.mails
would
not have been read until Monday morning as these managers do not work at
weekends.
My first indication of anything going on was from the news group.

Finally it has not yet been made public what caused the incident in the
first place. It may not have anything to do with the track. It may have
been
a problem with the train design or a combination of track layout and
train
design. Lets hope March 7 is a success because I can guarantee there
will be
a lot of positive publicity. The underground seems to be run by spin
doctors
recently so lets hope words save lives.



I don't know what buses run where at the North end of the line. I assume
that there is a bus service from West Finchley. If not, there's certainly
one from Finchley Central. You could certainly get to Goodge St. (or
nearby Gower St), but I don't know how many buses it would take.

Roger