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Night tube on the cards again
Basil Jet wrote:
Apparently some deal has been struck but other unions have yet to agree, so it's not all signed, sealed and delivered yet. I was under the impression that the TSSA was the union most opposed to the Night Tube, perhaps because its members have less to gain from it? So the fact that the RMT has agreed may not mean much. |
Night tube on the cards again
On 01/03/2016 22:23, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 21:07:23 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: Apparently some deal has been struck but other unions have yet to agree, so it's not all signed, sealed and delivered yet. I was under the impression that the TSSA was the union most opposed to the Night Tube, perhaps because its members have less to gain from it? So the fact that the RMT has agreed may not mean much. Yer wot? RMT represent most station staff, a share of train drivers, control room staff plus maintainers and call out engineers. Their acceptance is a significant step. Obviously all the unions have to agree but the RMT staff saying yes makes a go ahead, post Mayoral election, likely. It can't be introduced during purdah which starts on or around 20 March - the Assembly effectively ceases business then until the new Mayor and Assembly are elected on 5 May. Anyway LU will need several weeks / months to finalise rosters and complete arrangements which have been on hold for months. Well, when it does eventually arrive it will be immensely popular. |
Night tube on the cards again
Mizter T wrote:
On 01/03/2016 22:23, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 21:07:23 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: Apparently some deal has been struck but other unions have yet to agree, so it's not all signed, sealed and delivered yet. I was under the impression that the TSSA was the union most opposed to the Night Tube, perhaps because its members have less to gain from it? So the fact that the RMT has agreed may not mean much. Yer wot? RMT represent most station staff, a share of train drivers, control room staff plus maintainers and call out engineers. Their acceptance is a significant step. Obviously all the unions have to agree but the RMT staff saying yes makes a go ahead, post Mayoral election, likely. It can't be introduced during purdah which starts on or around 20 March - the Assembly effectively ceases business then until the new Mayor and Assembly are elected on 5 May. Anyway LU will need several weeks / months to finalise rosters and complete arrangements which have been on hold for months. Well, when it does eventually arrive it will be immensely popular. Not, it appears, with people who live near LU stations or the surface sections of the Night Tube lines. Perhaps also not with taxi drivers who will lose lucrative business. |
Night tube on the cards again
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 23:23:40 +0000, Mizter T wrote: On 01/03/2016 22:23, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 21:07:23 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: Apparently some deal has been struck but other unions have yet to agree, so it's not all signed, sealed and delivered yet. I was under the impression that the TSSA was the union most opposed to the Night Tube, perhaps because its members have less to gain from it? So the fact that the RMT has agreed may not mean much. Yer wot? RMT represent most station staff, a share of train drivers, control room staff plus maintainers and call out engineers. Their acceptance is a significant step. Obviously all the unions have to agree but the RMT staff saying yes makes a go ahead, post Mayoral election, likely. It can't be introduced during purdah which starts on or around 20 March - the Assembly effectively ceases business then until the new Mayor and Assembly are elected on 5 May. Anyway LU will need several weeks / months to finalise rosters and complete arrangements which have been on hold for months. Well, when it does eventually arrive it will be immensely popular. I remain to be convinced but I'm heading towards "old git"hood so I'm not the target demographic. I expect "bright young things" will love it but then they happily spend all night in town doing whatever they do. I suspect the noise issue is going to escalate enormously - Assembly members have been seeking reassurance for months and it's not evident much has been done. I assume this is because the planning horizons are so long that it can't be scheduled quickly. There are also repeated questions about onward transport connections and toilet provision. Much of this remains unanswered and yet they're entirely predictable issues. A recent Guardian feature on similar all night metro services in various cities showed an almost exclusively young clientel and not many other people. I am therefore left wondering just what level of usage it will get. I am also sceptical about the safety aspects given Brits' notorious inability to handle their drink. I suspect it's already awful at "last train" time but the thoughts of groups of incapable people falling down escalators and off platforms doesn't bare thinking about. I also feel sorry for the staff who'll have to handle these people. Yes, on my now very rare excursions on post-midnight Tube trains, there are usually throwing-up-drunk passengers, sometimes incapable of walking unaided. Without the discipline of having to drink up and leave soon after 11pm it's bound to be worse. And, as you mention, if there aren't available toilets, it's going to be even worse. As it happens, the Night Tube services won't serve anywhere near where I live, so I doubt that I'll be a regular user. But I suspect that the suburban minicab offices at Night Tube stations will do well. |
Night tube on the cards again
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Night tube on the cards again
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Night tube on the cards again
A recent Guardian feature on similar all night metro services in
various cities showed an almost exclusively young clientel and not many other people. Hi from New York, where the unde, excuse me, subway has run 24/7 since 1904. Some services stop running after midnight, but every station has service all night, most with 3tph or better. In NYC there are certainly people coming home late from clubs, since they can stay open until 0400, but there's also a lot of shift workers and ordinary people doing errands they can't do during the day. Everyone in NYC knows the subway always runs, so I expect the way people use it is different from cities where late night service is a recent or sometime thing. |
Night tube on the cards again
On 2016\03\02 03:26, John Levine wrote:
A recent Guardian feature on similar all night metro services in various cities showed an almost exclusively young clientel and not many other people. Hi from New York, where the unde, excuse me, subway has run 24/7 since 1904. Some services stop running after midnight, but every station has service all night, most with 3tph or better. In NYC there are certainly people coming home late from clubs, since they can stay open until 0400, but there's also a lot of shift workers and ordinary people doing errands they can't do during the day. Everyone in NYC knows the subway always runs, so I expect the way people use it is different from cities where late night service is a recent or sometime thing. Is it safe in all parts of the network at 3am? |
Night tube on the cards again
John Levine wrote:
A recent Guardian feature on similar all night metro services in various cities showed an almost exclusively young clientel and not many other people. Hi from New York, where the unde, excuse me, subway has run 24/7 since 1904. Some services stop running after midnight, but every station has service all night, most with 3tph or better. In NYC there are certainly people coming home late from clubs, since they can stay open until 0400, but there's also a lot of shift workers and ordinary people doing errands they can't do during the day. Everyone in NYC knows the subway always runs, so I expect the way people use it is different from cities where late night service is a recent or sometime thing. And, in London, it will be only on two nights of the week, and only on parts of some lines, so nothing like the service you get in NYC. |
Night tube on the cards again
Everyone in NYC knows the subway always runs, so I expect the way
people use it is different from cities where late night service is a recent or sometime thing. Is it safe in all parts of the network at 3am? As safe as it is at other times of the day. By European standards NYC is somewhat dangerous because we have so many guns floating around (although nothing like Florida or Texas), but by US standards it's quite safe. I have read that in general subway stations are safer than the street above or below. |
Night tube on the cards again
John Levine wrote:
Everyone in NYC knows the subway always runs, so I expect the way people use it is different from cities where late night service is a recent or sometime thing. Is it safe in all parts of the network at 3am? As safe as it is at other times of the day. By European standards NYC is somewhat dangerous because we have so many guns floating around (although nothing like Florida or Texas), but by US standards it's quite safe. I have read that in general subway stations are safer than the street above or below. Do they have CCTV cameras everywhere like in London? I suspect that there are few parts of LU stations not covered. |
Night tube on the cards again
I have read that in general subway stations are safer than the street
above or below. Do they have CCTV cameras everywhere like in London? I suspect that there are few parts of LU stations not covered. Some, but the US is nowhere near as CCTV crazed as the UK. I hear that CCTV turns out to be useless for preventing crime, marginally useful for figuring out later who did it. |
Night tube on the cards again
On 2016-03-02 18:29:24 +0000, Paul Corfield said:
In London those lower paid people simply cannot afford to use the tube - especially in the central area. They are therefore reliant on effective night bus and early morning service on regular routes to get them to / from their jobs. And that, to me, means the fares system is fundamentally broken, causing an absolutely pointless duplication of provision. I don't see the night tube being a "game changer" for them - except if TfL decide to greatly reduce or remove any parallel night bus routes. That's not *yet* on the cards but may emerge at some point once usage patterns have stabilised. I would rather hope it is - running half-empty night buses parallel to the Tube is an utter waste of money. And if it turns out they are not empty and the Tube is, that's a waste of money. There is absolutely no sense in any duplication at all at times of day when the Tube network is not going to be overcongested. It would simply be a waste of money. Night buses could simply connect people to the Tube on the evenings it runs. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
Night tube on the cards again
On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 03:26:31 +0000 (UTC), John Levine
wrote: Hi from New York, where the unde, excuse me, subway has run 24/7 since 1904. Some services stop running after midnight, but every station has service all night, most with 3tph or better. How is maintenance handled? I know many sections have more than two tracks, but surely not all of the network? Is the frequency low enough to allow single track running? -- jhk |
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