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It's all over bar the declaration.
Congratulations from me, if not from others here on this random and dusty crevice of the internet! Greens doing well too. We await the results of the London Assembly elections. I'm very glad Zac's nasty campaign blew right up in his face. Apparently Lynton Crosby had no involvement in it, which if anything makes Zac look even worse. Two tweets relating to that... Dave Hill of the Guardian: https://twitter.com/DaveHill/status/728619646224637952 "If you've yet to hear it, best quote on Zac campaign from senior London Tory: 'A dog whistle in a city with no dogs.' " Jim Waterson, political editor of BuzzFeed UK: https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/728617840778088448 "Any London Conservatives who *do* want to defend Zac Goldsmith's campaign? City Hall just full of Tories saying they're disgusted with him." OK, guess I should think about the future ramifications for transport! Also today - Boris (still Mayor until Sunday midnight I think) officially opened the segregated east-west cycle superhighway along the Embankment from Big Ben to the Tower: http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-05-06/boris-johnson-bows-out-as-london-mayor-with-a-final-public-duty-opening-a-new-bike-lane/ or via http://tinyurl.com/zvbwgyg I'm no great fan of Boris, but it's possible proper segregated cycleways (rather than just 'blue paint') might actually be his real legacy. I trust Sadiq will push ahead with this programme. |
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It's all over bar the declaration. Congratulations from me, if not from others here on this random and dusty crevice of the internet! Greens doing well too. We await the results of the London Assembly elections. I'm very glad Zac's nasty campaign blew right up in his face. Apparently Lynton Crosby had no involvement in it, which if anything makes Zac look even worse. Two tweets relating to that... Dave Hill of the Guardian: https://twitter.com/DaveHill/status/728619646224637952 "If you've yet to hear it, best quote on Zac campaign from senior London Tory: 'A dog whistle in a city with no dogs.' " Jim Waterson, political editor of BuzzFeed UK: https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/728617840778088448 "Any London Conservatives who *do* want to defend Zac Goldsmith's campaign? City Hall just full of Tories saying they're disgusted with him." OK, guess I should think about the future ramifications for transport! Also today - Boris (still Mayor until Sunday midnight I think) officially opened the segregated east-west cycle superhighway along the Embankment from Big Ben to the Tower: http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-05-06/boris-johnson-bows-out-as-london-mayor-with-a-final-public-duty-opening-a-new-bike-lane/ or via http://tinyurl.com/zvbwgyg I'm no great fan of Boris, but it's possible proper segregated cycleways (rather than just 'blue paint') might actually be his real legacy. I trust Sadiq will push ahead with this programme. It seems that Sadiq may be bringing in his old boss, Andrew Adonis, to oversee transport. Not sure how that squares with his national infrastructure role. But, yes, whoever is in charge of transport, I suspect that the cycleway policy will continue. Presumably, with his background, Sadiq will be keen on buses, but I suspect he won't be ordering any more Boris buses... |
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On Fri, 6 May 2016 18:42:47 +0100
Mizter T wrote: It's all over bar the declaration. Congratulations from me, if not from others here on this random and dusty crevice of the internet! Greens doing well too. We await the results of the London Assembly elections. I'm very glad Zac's nasty campaign blew right up in his face. Apparently Lynton Crosby had no involvement in it, which if anything makes Zac look even worse. Two tweets relating to that... Dave Hill of the Guardian: Might as well say Dave Hill of Idiots-r-Us. https://twitter.com/DaveHill/status/728619646224637952 "If you've yet to hear it, best quote on Zac campaign from senior London Tory: 'A dog whistle in a city with no dogs.' " Thats the latest phrase of the month isn't it. I wonder how many people who use it actually know what dog whistle politics is. OK, guess I should think about the future ramifications for transport! Indeed. Perhaps the former human rights parasite who's just been voted in and used to sue the police for compensation for assorted scum, can ask some of the people he used to share a platform with what the latest bomb making techniques are and figure out how to defend the tube against them. -- Spud |
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On Fri, 6 May 2016 18:42:47 +0100
Mizter T wrote: Congratulations from me, LMAO! With in one year you will be running for your life. Bunch of white damned fools don't know what they have brought onto themselves. The muslims know. |
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The media keep describing him as the first muslim mayor, but there have only been two others!
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On Sat, 7 May 2016 11:04:04 +0100
eastender wrote: On 2016-05-06 19:40:40 +0000, d said: Indeed. Perhaps the former human rights parasite who's just been voted in and used to sue the police for compensation for assorted scum, can ask some of the people he used to share a platform with what the latest bomb making techniques are and figure out how to defend the tube against them. Your mate David Furness got 13,325 votes - so there are a few more like you in the city but thankfully too few to matter. Yes, there are few like me left in london - ie white english. As more than one person has said , its not an english city any more. Its an oversized tower of bable full of international scum, rich and poor. -- Spud |
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On 2016-05-07 11:48:35 +0000, d said:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 11:04:04 +0100 eastender wrote: On 2016-05-06 19:40:40 +0000, d said: Indeed. Perhaps the former human rights parasite who's just been voted in and used to sue the police for compensation for assorted scum, can ask some of the people he used to share a platform with what the latest bomb making techniques are and figure out how to defend the tube against them. Your mate David Furness got 13,325 votes - so there are a few more like you in the city but thankfully too few to matter. Yes, there are few like me left in london - ie white english. As more than one person has said , its not an english city any more. Its an oversized tower of bable full of international scum, rich and poor. Think of it this way - they are diluting the real scum, ie you. At my sports club last week I met a Peruvian midwife working in the NHS. The irony is she would deliver the child of a racist but receive no thanks for doing so. And it's Babel, not bable. |
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The media keep describing him as the first muslim mayor, but there have only been two others! Rather more than that. He's the first Moslem mayor of *any* Western capital city, not just London. He's also the Brit with the largest-ever personal mandate: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-...tical-history/ |
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On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:54:33 +0100
eastender wrote: On 2016-05-07 11:48:35 +0000, d said: On Sat, 7 May 2016 11:04:04 +0100 eastender wrote: On 2016-05-06 19:40:40 +0000, d said: Indeed. Perhaps the former human rights parasite who's just been voted in and used to sue the police for compensation for assorted scum, can ask some of the people he used to share a platform with what the latest bomb making techniques are and figure out how to defend the tube against them. Your mate David Furness got 13,325 votes - so there are a few more like you in the city but thankfully too few to matter. Yes, there are few like me left in london - ie white english. As more than one person has said , its not an english city any more. Its an oversized tower of bable full of international scum, rich and poor. Think of it this way - they are diluting the real scum, ie you. At my sports club last week I met a Peruvian midwife working in the NHS. The irony is she would deliver the child of a racist but receive no thanks for doing so. Awww bless, did you embrace the inclusive rainbow diversity and feel good about yourself? And it's Babel, not bable. Says the mouth breathing window licker who doesn't even know the difference between race and nationality like most of the morons of the left. -- Spud |
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-sept ember.org, at 08:59:56 on Sun, 8 May 2016, Recliner remarked: He's also the Brit with the largest-ever personal mandate: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-...tical-history/ 1.3m votes (including second preference) from a City of 8.5m people only 5.5m have registered to vote is not that big of an endorsement. But as an out-of-London person, I'll be doing my best to keep him to his very clear promise not to increase TfL fares for the next four years. Not a big bus user currently, but his promise of transferable fares for an hour is also something which might well make me use them more. -- Roland Perry |
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2016 15:06:07 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield writes On Fri, 6 May 2016 18:39:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: [snip] The word "bus" was mentioned 7 times in his manifesto (yes I did check). Six of those mentions were in connection with the 1 hour ticket proposals. There are NO policies that support the expansion or the improvement of the bus network. "Maintaining the quality" is as far as it got. I had missed Sadiq's policy on bus fares, before Paul referred to it. It is in http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...b9526a21db3279 000001/attachments/original/1457451016/x160668_Sadiq_Khan_Manifesto.pdf? 1457451016 It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..." I guess that could be loaded on Oyster cards. I currently have 11:46 Bus journey, route 21 £1.50 £9.40 11:28 Bus journey, route 100 £1.50 £10.90 Presumably I could have 12:30 Bus journey, route 43 £1.50 £9.40 11:46 Bus journey, route 21 £0.00 £10.90 11:28 Bus journey, route 100 £1.50 £10.90 I trust bus validators are capable of the additional logic. Paul referred somewhere to cancellation of a project to replace validators. Contactless should be no problem as pricing seems tobe a batch operation, rather than being done in real time. He does not address contactless being potentially cheaper than Ouster. (The former supports Monday-Sunday caps; the latter does not.) Caroline Pidgeon has had similar ideas for ages. Ottawa had similar charding 25 years ago. Better late than never. By the way, I looked at the Additional Member Figures. (I had to do the calculations, myself. London Elects will show them, real soon(;) Wikipedia (London Assembly elections, 2016) agrees with my numbers. The last elected additional member will sit for UKIP with a quotient of 85534. The Women's Equality Party, having got a 3.6% share, was excluded for not managing 5%. Their quotient would have been 91772. Tories have been bleating about Barnet; WEP seems to have maintained a dignified silence. (No, I did not vote for them ;) -- Walter Briscoe |
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In message , at 14:02:08 on Mon, 9
May 2016, Walter Briscoe remarked: It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..." Is the Hopper one hour between first and last touch-in, given that people don't touch *out*? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 15:46:23 on
Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: As we have no commercial product definition for the "Hopper Ticket" it is impossible to say whether the technology currently on buses and in central systems can support the new product. I could speculate in all sorts of ways as to how it could work but there'd be no point. My only observation would be that I can't see that it will be a "quick fix" issue taking only weeks to introduce. If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in place (isn't it?) -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 15:46:23 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: As we have no commercial product definition for the "Hopper Ticket" it is impossible to say whether the technology currently on buses and in central systems can support the new product. I could speculate in all sorts of ways as to how it could work but there'd be no point. My only observation would be that I can't see that it will be a "quick fix" issue taking only weeks to introduce. If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in place (isn't it?) Yes, the logic for an hourly cap seems simple enough, although I suppose there's bound to be some strange edge cases. Given that he also promises to freeze fares, I wonder how he plans to make up the revenue loss? |
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-sept ember.org, at 15:30:53 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Recliner remarked: As we have no commercial product definition for the "Hopper Ticket" it is impossible to say whether the technology currently on buses and in central systems can support the new product. I could speculate in all sorts of ways as to how it could work but there'd be no point. My only observation would be that I can't see that it will be a "quick fix" issue taking only weeks to introduce. If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in place (isn't it?) Yes, the logic for an hourly cap seems simple enough, although I suppose there's bound to be some strange edge cases. Given that he also promises to freeze fares, I wonder how he plans to make up the revenue loss? Stuffing ever more passengers onto the existing buses and tubes? -- Roland Perry |
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On 09/05/2016 17:45, Paul Corfield wrote:
The crucial issue is whether the 3 caps are hard wired into the card and system design or if there is flexibility to add more caps within the system. Isn't part of the point of the new back office system for contactless that it can be told to do more and cleverer stuff? If there is flexibility then yes, broadly, an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. That has long been possible on Tramlink (within 90 minutes, maybe?). -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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Roland Perry writes:
In message , at 14:02:08 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Walter Briscoe remarked: It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..." Is the Hopper one hour between first and last touch-in, given that people don't touch *out*? And that some single journeys can take more than an hour. Or make it that you have to touch out of bus journeys and treat it similarly to underground/rail OSI such that touching in on one bus within a period of touching out of another, is considered to be one journey. So for example if you were to travel from Waterloo to Paddington by catching a 211 or 507 and change at Victoria to the next 36 or 436, it would count as one journey. |
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In message , at 17:45:25 on
Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. If you do care about that then the checking logic becomes very complex indeed. Notwithstanding you go on to say some administrations seek to ban that, I doubt if the Mayor has mixed such a thing into his promise. The only place I recall permission plus a limit (maybe an hour, I don't remember) on multiple trips - which includes their Metro as well as buses - is Brussels and I don't think that has an anti-return or anti-circular-trip mechanism. -- Roland Perry |
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18:38:29 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Arthur Figgis remarked: The crucial issue is whether the 3 caps are hard wired into the card and system design or if there is flexibility to add more caps within the system. Isn't part of the point of the new back office system for contactless that it can be told to do more and cleverer stuff? But doesn't it still do no capping at all (or am I out of date)? -- Roland Perry |
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9 May 2016, Graham Murray remarked: Roland Perry writes: In message , at 14:02:08 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Walter Briscoe remarked: It says he will "Freeze TfL transport fares for four years and introduce a one-hour bus ‘Hopper’ ticket ..." Is the Hopper one hour between first and last touch-in, given that people don't touch *out*? And that some single journeys can take more than an hour. Such a journey doesn't require two tickets now, and few would expect it to in future. Or make it that you have to touch out of bus journeys and treat it similarly to underground/rail OSI such that touching in on one bus within a period of touching out of another, is considered to be one journey. So for example if you were to travel from Waterloo to Paddington by catching a 211 or 507 and change at Victoria to the next 36 or 436, it would count as one journey. An hour is a rather small granularity to be messing with OSIs I think. -- Roland Perry |
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On 09/05/2016 18:38, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 09/05/2016 17:45, Paul Corfield wrote: The crucial issue is whether the 3 caps are hard wired into the card and system design or if there is flexibility to add more caps within the system. Isn't part of the point of the new back office system for contactless that it can be told to do more and cleverer stuff? Yep, ditto my thinking. (Hence Monday-Sunday caps on contactless and whatever else may yet be to come.) If there is flexibility then yes, broadly, an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. That has long been possible on Tramlink (within 90 minutes, maybe?). 70 minutes for contactless/Oyster, but only one change, i.e. using two trams. It's 90 minutes for paper single tickets (still available at tram stop ticket machines). It also allows for one free change from some local buses which feed the tram in the New Addington area (used to be T-prefixed bus routes but the bus network was remodelled recently so the T-buses are no more) - however again this is just one free transfer, i.e. feeder bus+tram, so feeder bus+tram+tram is two fares. All outlined on this page (inc list of feeder bus routes): https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/fares/bus-and-tram If the Oyster system isn't flexible enough for the 'hour hopper' ticket, then I could imagine the 70 minute one free transfer being implemented instead (i.e. copying what happens on Tramlink). Not what was in the manifesto, but arguably close enough. |
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On 08/05/2016 14:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message -sept ember.org, at 08:59:56 on Sun, 8 May 2016, Recliner remarked: He's also the Brit with the largest-ever personal mandate: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-05-07/new-london-mayor-sadiq-khan-receives-the-biggest-personal-mandate-in-british-political-history/ 1.3m votes (including second preference) from a City of 8.5m people only 5.5m have registered to vote is not that big of an endorsement. Much the same can be said of the votes accrued to any one political party in a general election. The point of that article is just that (lots of) people voted directly for him, which is explained by his position (Mayor) being highly unusual in British terms given the size of the electorate. Though in future further metro Mayors are on their way (e.g. Greater Manchester). But as an out-of-London person, I'll be doing my best to keep him to his very clear promise not to increase TfL fares for the next four years. Amongst other things, worth bearing in mind that the Travelcard is a joint TfL+NR product, and so the new Mayor won't be able to unilaterally freeze the prices of it - though IIRC he will be able to insist on it only increasing by inflation/RPI (the rule is that any above-RPI increases need to be agreed by both the London TOCs and TfL - the TOCs will basically always agree to that, meanwhile what TfL agrees to depends on the Mayor's policy). He also has no power to freeze NR Oyster/contactless PAYG fares (and UIVMM part of the Crossrail concession deal between TfL and central government is that Crossrail/Betty line fares are on the NR fare scale). Not a big bus user currently, but his promise of transferable fares for an hour is also something which might well make me use them more. You can enjoy one of Boris's legacies, the Roastmaster bus, which has come out to play in the recent hot weather! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 May 2016 15:54:44 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 15:46:23 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: As we have no commercial product definition for the "Hopper Ticket" it is impossible to say whether the technology currently on buses and in central systems can support the new product. I could speculate in all sorts of ways as to how it could work but there'd be no point. My only observation would be that I can't see that it will be a "quick fix" issue taking only weeks to introduce. If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in place (isn't it?) Yes but AFAIK there are only 3 caps that can be supported - bus and tram day cap, off peak daily, hasn't the off peak cap been abolished? tim |
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On 09/05/2016 23:14, tim... wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote: [...] If it's based on the current hardware, then an "hourly cap" would seem to fit the bill, and the Oyster daily capping software is already in place (isn't it?) Yes but AFAIK there are only 3 caps that can be supported - bus and tram day cap, off peak daily, hasn't the off peak cap been abolished? Yes within zones 1-6 (though still exists beyond), but a change in fares policy doesn't mean the technical specifications of Oyster magically change at the same time. See the differential peak and off-peak caps for journeys beyond zone 6 in these tables: http://content.tfl.gov.uk/adult-fares.pdf http://content.tfl.gov.uk/national-rail-adult-fares.pdf |
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On Mon, 9 May 2016 19:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 17:45:25 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. If you do care about that then the checking logic becomes very complex indeed. Notwithstanding you go on to say some administrations seek to ban that, I doubt if the Mayor has mixed such a thing into his promise. The only place I recall permission plus a limit (maybe an hour, I don't remember) on multiple trips - which includes their Metro as well as buses - is Brussels and I don't think that has an anti-return or anti-circular-trip mechanism. The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. Good work. I guess they could read the opinion polls just like everyone else, and realised very early on that Sadiq was the likely winner and they should be helping him with one of his key pledges. I did notice that in one of his victory speeches he was fulsome in his praise for the police and fire services, but just said that he looked forward to working with TfL. He's also on the record as saying how flabby and wasteful it is: "Fares don’t have to keep going up like this. Because at the same time as fares have gone up, TfL has become more and more bloated. They simply haven’t had to make the efficiency savings that other parts of the public sector have had to in recent years. Did you know - they pay 450 staff more than £100,000 a year. They spend £383 million a year on consultants and agency workers – which has more than doubled under Boris Johnson. They wasted £900 million on the tube signalling contract disaster with Bombardier. And they bizarrely still have entirely separate engineering operations for underground and surface transport - which wastes hundreds of millions of pounds on two sets of overheads, backroom functions and procurement. So TfL is flabby. And it’s not acceptable." From http://www.sadiq.london/i_ll_be_the_...ore_affordable |
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In message , at 10:32:49 on
Tue, 10 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. Let's hope it does - they've given themselves plenty of time. And doesn't get into an eternal September timewarp like the night tube (Sept 2015). What is it about September, and TfL, anyway? -- Roland Perry |
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"Recliner" wrote in message ... Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 9 May 2016 19:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 17:45:25 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. If you do care about that then the checking logic becomes very complex indeed. Notwithstanding you go on to say some administrations seek to ban that, I doubt if the Mayor has mixed such a thing into his promise. The only place I recall permission plus a limit (maybe an hour, I don't remember) on multiple trips - which includes their Metro as well as buses - is Brussels and I don't think that has an anti-return or anti-circular-trip mechanism. The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. Good work. I guess they could read the opinion polls just like everyone else, and realised very early on that Sadiq was the likely winner and they should be helping him with one of his key pledges. I did notice that in one of his victory speeches he was fulsome in his praise for the police and fire services, but just said that he looked forward to working with TfL. He's also on the record as saying how flabby and wasteful it is: "Fares don’t have to keep going up like this. Because at the same time as fares have gone up, TfL has become more and more bloated. They simply haven’t had to make the efficiency savings that other parts of the public sector have had to in recent years. Did you know - they pay 450 staff more than £100,000 a year. They spend £383 million a year on consultants and agency workers – which has more than doubled under Boris Johnson. It's impossible to say that this represents bad value for money without knowing what these workers achieved and what the equivalent cost of doing the work with "full-time" employees would have been. Using agency workers isn't always the worst case cost-wise, plenty of major companies use them precisely because they are cheaper. (Though I accept that they are, almost, always bad from the pov of workers rights, so if you are a left leaning organisation/person this fact may trump all others. But you can't use "cost" as a proxy for this argument, you have to make it explicitly) They wasted £900 million on the tube signalling contract disaster with Bombardier. wasn't this forced upon them by HMG, despite TfL's protestations? tim |
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"Recliner" wrote in message ... Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 9 May 2016 19:53:20 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 17:45:25 on Mon, 9 May 2016, Paul Corfield remarked: an hourly cap works *provided* you don't care about whether people can make a return journey for a single fare within 1 hour. If you do care about that then the checking logic becomes very complex indeed. Notwithstanding you go on to say some administrations seek to ban that, I doubt if the Mayor has mixed such a thing into his promise. The only place I recall permission plus a limit (maybe an hour, I don't remember) on multiple trips - which includes their Metro as well as buses - is Brussels and I don't think that has an anti-return or anti-circular-trip mechanism. The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. Good work. I guess they could read the opinion polls just like everyone else, and realised very early on that Sadiq was the likely winner and they should be helping him with one of his key pledges. I did notice that in one of his victory speeches he was fulsome in his praise for the police and fire services, but just said that he looked forward to working with TfL. He's also on the record as saying how flabby and wasteful it is: "Fares don’t have to keep going up like this. Because at the same time as fares have gone up, TfL has become more and more bloated. They simply haven’t had to make the efficiency savings that other parts of the public sector have had to in recent years. Did you know - they pay 450 staff more than £100,000 a year. They spend £383 million a year on consultants and agency workers – which has more than doubled under Boris Johnson. It's impossible to say that this represents bad value for money without knowing what these workers achieved and what the equivalent cost of doing the work with "full-time" employees would have been. Using agency workers isn't always the worst case cost-wise, plenty of major companies use them precisely because they are cheaper. (Though I accept that they are, almost, always bad from the pov of workers rights, so if you are a left leaning organisation/person this fact may trump all others. But you can't use "cost" as a proxy for this argument, you have to make it explicitly) They wasted £900 million on the tube signalling contract disaster with Bombardier. wasn't this forced upon them by HMG, despite TfL's protestations? I've heard that there was Treasury pressure to "save" money, but it was actually Boris's decision to overrule Peter Hendy, who knew it was a bad idea. |
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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts. Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something that Johnson can take the credit for :-) -- David Cantrell | Pope | First Church of the Symmetrical Internet PERL: Politely Expressed Racoon Love |
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100
David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts. Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something that Johnson can take the credit for :-) It wouldn't even be TfL working on it - it'll be Cubic or whoever their supplier is these days and seems to me its a pretty simple update to the bus card readers. If time now - last time card used 1 hour then don't charge. I'd be amazed if its more than a couple of lines of code. No idea why it will take september to roll it out - is updating the reader software an involved task that requires buses being out of service for a long period? -- Spud |
Mayor Sadiq
On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:11:54 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100 David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts. Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something that Johnson can take the credit for :-) It wouldn't even be TfL working on it - it'll be Cubic or whoever their supplier is these days and seems to me its a pretty simple update to the bus card readers. If time now - last time card used 1 hour then don't charge. I'd be amazed if its more than a couple of lines of code. No idea why it will take september to roll it out - is updating the reader software an involved task that requires buses being out of service for a long period? Is capping implemented in the bus card readers themselves, or the back office? |
Mayor Sadiq
On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts. Will this do? Quote: Speaking about the launch of the new fare, London’s Transport Commissioner, Mike Brown, said: “This new option will benefit a huge number of our passengers. For many people catching more than one bus is the only way they can get from A to B. This fare will enable us to better meet the needs of those Londoners who live or work in areas which aren’t as well served by Tube or rail services.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/de...-in-september/ Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something that Johnson can take the credit for :-) Not if it wasn't his policy or if he didn't announce it as a future plan. |
Mayor Sadiq
On 2016-05-10 09:32:49 +0000, Paul Corfield said:
The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. Certainly a good thing which I recall some on here suggesting was impossible. Next step - a proper Verbundtarif? One zonal fare for any journey involving any combination of modes, and a second lower flat fare for any journey involving only buses? Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
Mayor Sadiq
On Wed, 11 May 2016 12:34:10 +0100
Recliner wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:11:54 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100 David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts. Of course, if it does happen as reported, then TfL must have been working on it before Khan's election, which means that this is something that Johnson can take the credit for :-) It wouldn't even be TfL working on it - it'll be Cubic or whoever their supplier is these days and seems to me its a pretty simple update to the bus card readers. If time now - last time card used 1 hour then don't charge. I'd be amazed if its more than a couple of lines of code. No idea why it will take september to roll it out - is updating the reader software an involved task that requires buses being out of service for a long period? Is capping implemented in the bus card readers themselves, or the back office? Would be too slow if the reader had to phone home for every touch in. Must be implemented internally presumably with any new settings uploaded each day at the depot. -- Spud |
Mayor Sadiq
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(Recliner) wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2016 11:53:49 +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:32:49AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: The 1 hour Hopper ticket launches in September. https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/st...59297308823552 As I expected TfL have obviously been working away in the background so there's a quick win delivery of part of the manifesto. I'll believe it when TfL say it. It's far too common for a reporter to misunderstand something and report a great deal more than the facts. Will this do? Quote: Speaking about the launch of the new fare, London’s Transport Commissioner, Mike Brown, said: “This new option will benefit a huge number of our passengers. For many people catching more than one bus is the only way they can get from A to B. This fare will enable us to better meet the needs of those Londoners who live or work in areas which aren’t as well served by Tube or rail services.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/de...ngdom/england/ london/articles/tfls-london-bus-hopper-fare-to-commence-in-september/ Caroline Pigeon and the London Lib Dems have been banging on about this for a decade so there would have been reasons to look at feasibility for some time now. One advantage of this change is that it will allow considerable route simplification if TfL wants it. Routes are partly based on avoiding passengers changing buses and this will become less of a consideration (but not none at all) in future. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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