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Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message 2016051411282448156-email@domaincom, at 11:28:24 on Sat, 14
May 2016, eastender remarked: •Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo, a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky diesel. The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message 2016051411282448156-email@domaincom, at 11:28:24 on Sat, 14 May 2016, eastender remarked: •Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo, a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky diesel. The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age tim |
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In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May
2016, tim... remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). -- Roland Perry |
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On 14/05/2016 14:24, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May 2016, tim... remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. It says that some vehicles may have been early adopters of the standard too, which is the only level of opaqueness really. |
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In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. |
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On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it without paying... |
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-sept ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. How will they know? -- Roland Perry |
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Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. you have to pay the fee If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" As that is a very new possibility why would you expect to find it on the website? the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". I suspect that the enlargement will not happen. As you have pointed out it will disenfranchise too many people too quickly. But it still isn't clear how they will enforce it within the current zone if the DVLA don't have the details of everyone's emission class It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they did comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them tim |
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Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
"tim..." writes:
It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they did comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them For new cars, it will be known, and for older cars could the appropriate rating not be determined during the MOT? |
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