"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message 2016051411282448156-email@domaincom, at 11:28:24 on Sat, 14
May 2016, eastender remarked:
•Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular
Road
and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the
introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only
operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in
from
2020.

This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess
it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo,
a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky
diesel.

The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or
not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old,
but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6
compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet
E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

tim

In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May
2016, tim... remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).
--
Roland Perry

On 14/05/2016 14:24, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May
2016, tim... remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

It says that some vehicles may have been early adopters of the standard
too, which is the only level of opaqueness really.

In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my
vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail
to say what the implications are.

If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my
vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail
to say what the implications are.

If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my
vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail
to say what the implications are.

If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it
without paying...

eastender wrote:
On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my
vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail
to say what the implications are.

If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it
without paying...

It's just a consultation at the moment, isn't it? That's bound to be one
of the big questions to be settled.

It was less of an issue when only the CC zone was affected, with relatively
few residents, but with a much expanded zone, it's an important issue that
will affect many thousands of people. There may have to be some sort of
temporary grandfather rights if you register an older car in advance.

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:
If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

How will they know?
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:
If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they
can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras
twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion
charges inside the "circulars".

Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge.

How will they know?

They will know :-)

tim

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed
or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on
numberplate.

It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years
old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.

NO

What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be
Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were
required to meet E6).

Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6
standards before the required date.

Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age

Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the
car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say
either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel).

They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the
year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the
relevant cars.

No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my
vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to
say what the implications are.

you have to pay the fee

If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular"

As that is a very new possibility why would you expect to find it on the
website?

the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion
zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for
congestion charges inside the "circulars".

I suspect that the enlargement will not happen. As you have pointed out it
will disenfranchise too many people too quickly.

But it still isn't clear how they will enforce it within the current zone if
the DVLA don't have the details of everyone's emission class

It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some
reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they did
comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them

tim