Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.
--
Roland Perry

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, d remarked:

I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that
the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph?

Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing
to do this within living memory.

Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready?

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:31:41 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.

No reason it should. The le touquet agreement is nothing to do with the EU.

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and TurningSouth London Orange?
 

On 30/06/16 17:02, d wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:31:41 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.

No reason it should. The le touquet agreement is nothing to do with the EU.


I thought that Boris' opposite number in Calais announced that he was
going to charter a ship to bring them all to the UK?

Mind you I don't think that any company or individual would want to foot
the changes in the UK for importing so many illegal immigrants.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:27:09 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:13:12 -0500,
wrote:

In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but
is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains
north from Euston beyond 9/hour?

Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for
HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this
wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this
fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz"

Not just freight. The capacity shortage also constrains commuter flows south
of about Rugby.

And that's now. HS2 isn't about meeting demand this month, this year
or this decade: it's an investment in capacity that will be needed in
the more distant future. And it's a much better, cheaper way of doing
so than to add another two dedicated tracks to the existing WCML.

Though it might not increase capacity too much, I wonder how much it would
cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do
their design speed of 140mph? Ditto east coast.

But if you increase the speeds of the fast trains that will reduce capacity
further by increasing the speed differential between fast and slow trains.

Robin

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, d remarked:

I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that
the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph?

Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing
to do this within living memory.

Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready?

No, not with the current signalling.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, d remarked:

I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that
the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph?

Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing
to do this within living memory.

Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready?

No and there is no point on a mixed-traffic railway. There won't be much
140mph running if the train in front is only doing 60mph.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On 30/06/2016 23:29, wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, d remarked:

I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that
the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph?

Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing
to do this within living memory.

Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready?

No and there is no point on a mixed-traffic railway. There won't be much
140mph running if the train in front is only doing 60mph.

There could be with the right signalling if the 140MPH train is
regularly stopping and the 60MPH train is a through freight train.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 30/06/2016 23:29, wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, d remarked:

I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that
the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph?

Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing
to do this within living memory.

Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready?

No and there is no point on a mixed-traffic railway. There won't be much
140mph running if the train in front is only doing 60mph.

There could be with the right signalling if the 140MPH train is
regularly stopping and the 60MPH train is a through freight train.

A 140mph train will be an express, not regularly stopping. Stoppers need to
have higher acceleration, but rarely have or need a top speed of more than
110mph.

Another problem with mixed traffic lines is that heavy freight trains
usually lose speed when climbing; modern EMUs do not. So the speed
discrepancy becomes even wider on gradients.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 17:09:37 +0100
Martin Coffee wrote:
On 30/06/16 17:02, d wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:31:41 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.

No reason it should. The le touquet agreement is nothing to do with the EU.


I thought that Boris' opposite number in Calais announced that he was
going to charter a ship to bring them all to the UK?

The mayor of calais seems to spend her life complaining about the UK. Perhaps
she should complain to her own government to do their damn job and process
these people instead of allowing mass vagrancy.

--
Spud