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Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:21:22 +0100
Basil Jet wrote: Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? With any luck there'll be a price crash with a lot of those lock-and-leave flats built for foreign buyers along the thames and in docklands, and some brits may be able to buy them at reasonably affordable prices. -- Spud |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South
wrote in message ... On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:21:22 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? With any luck there'll be a price crash with a lot of those lock-and-leave flats built for foreign buyers along the thames and in docklands, and some brits may be able to buy them at reasonably affordable prices. even if they crash 50% they still wont be affordable to normal people tim |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:35:50 +0100
"tim..." wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:21:22 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? With any luck there'll be a price crash with a lot of those lock-and-leave flats built for foreign buyers along the thames and in docklands, and some brits may be able to buy them at reasonably affordable prices. even if they crash 50% they still wont be affordable to normal people True, but there might be a trickle down effect. -- Spud |
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Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit Office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. |
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"Robin9" wrote in message ... 'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;156544']Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? If disaster hits our country and the twerp Johnson becomes Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed tim |
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On 28/06/2016 11:21, Basil Jet wrote: Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? Contrary to Mr Farage's poster, the vote does not mean the UK will no longer accept refugees from war zones. The rather more important thing is that there's going to be a Brexit economic downturn, with resulting further pressures on fiscal policy. |
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Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning SouthLondon
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wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... 'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;156544']Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? If disaster hits our country and the twerp Johnson becomes Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning SouthLondon
On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:11:47 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2016\06\29 10:45, wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? Vanity? ;-) Hardly. The Japanese high speed routes are now so busy that they are starting to build even higher speed routes to supplement their early Shinkansens with the maglev Chuo Shinkansen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen But the French probably went too far. They've built most of the sensible LGVs, but were then pushed by regional politicians to extend them too much. Some of those planned extensions are now being cancelled. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning SouthLondon
wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... 'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;156544']Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? If disaster hits our country and the twerp Johnson becomes Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do tim -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning SouthLondon
In article , (tim...)
wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... 'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;156544']Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? If disaster hits our country and the twerp Johnson becomes Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do Japan? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... 'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;156544']Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? If disaster hits our country and the twerp Johnson becomes Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do Japan? Or South Korea? https://en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hig...in_South_Korea |
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"Recliner" wrote in message ... wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... 'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;156544']Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? If disaster hits our country and the twerp Johnson becomes Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do Japan? Or South Korea? https://en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hig...in_South_Korea aare either of those meant to disprove my claim? please show your working tim |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 andTurning SouthLondon
tim... wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message ... wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... 'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;156544']Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled? If disaster hits our country and the twerp Johnson becomes Prime Minister, I imagine neither Heathrow nor Gatwick will be expanded. The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do Japan? Or South Korea? https://en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hig...in_South_Korea aare either of those meant to disprove my claim? please show your working We don't have to disprove your unlikely claim. You're the one who said there was something about Britain that made it so unlike Japan, Korea, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, China, etc. You need to explain what is so different about Britain. |
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On 30/06/2016 09:07, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote: "Recliner" wrote in message ... wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do Japan? Or South Korea? https://en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hig...in_South_Korea aare either of those meant to disprove my claim? please show your working We don't have to disprove your unlikely claim. You're the one who said there was something about Britain that made it so unlike Japan, Korea, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, China, etc. You need to explain what is so different about Britain. Isn't it that we are a smaller, denser island that is even more capital-centric than many of the others? There are no big transport corridors of the right length where the benefits of 30% faster (by top speed) rail travel will produce appreciable benefits (the TGV was spurred on by the Paris-Lyon route which is of the right length) Don't forget in Japan they have (or had) several air corridors served by 747s configured with 530 or so seats - I don't see many domestic routes in the UK like that. We also have had pseudo-high-speed-rail in the guise of the HSTs and latterly class 90s, Pendolinos, Voyagers etc, that provide almost all the benefits that true high speed rail will provide without having to compulsorily purchase large numbers of properties on the way. In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Do we really need to get to Birmingham 23 minutes quicker, even if that is a 30% improvement? People witter on about not building roads because it increases the incentive for people to drive, but surely this is the case for railways as well - is it reasonable for large numbers of people to commute from Birmingham or Manchester to London? Surely we shouldn't be encouraging it! |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote: In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz" -- Spud |
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"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message ... On 30/06/2016 09:07, Recliner wrote: tim... wrote: "Recliner" wrote in message ... wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do Japan? Or South Korea? https://en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hig...in_South_Korea aare either of those meant to disprove my claim? please show your working We don't have to disprove your unlikely claim. You're the one who said there was something about Britain that made it so unlike Japan, Korea, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, China, etc. You need to explain what is so different about Britain. Isn't it that we are a smaller, denser island that is even more capital-centric than many of the others? thank you :-) plus the smaller regional centres are much closer together, so the time savings from HS lines between them is marginal tim |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 andTurning SouthLondon
tim... wrote:
"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message ... On 30/06/2016 09:07, Recliner wrote: tim... wrote: "Recliner" wrote in message ... wrote: In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim...) wrote: "Robin9" wrote in message ... The National Audit office has already suggested that HS2 should be delayed, supposedly to reduce costs. there are plenty here who think that vanity project will nor be entirely missed It's a lot more than a vanity project. There will be severe capacity limitations on the WCML very soon now if it isn't built. I suppose that is the problem of coming to a group where not everybody has engaged in (an earlier) discussion on this subject elsewhere Whilst it is true that capacity problems might dictate that the best solution is for a new two track railway between London and Trent Valley junctions, plus (as separate requirements) rebuilding Euston and the long promised Stafford cut off the rest is a totally unnecessary vanity project If High Speed Rail is a "vanity project" then why has most of the developed world been adopting similar projects for decades? because they have a different geographical spread of their population than we do Japan? Or South Korea? https://en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hig...in_South_Korea aare either of those meant to disprove my claim? please show your working We don't have to disprove your unlikely claim. You're the one who said there was something about Britain that made it so unlike Japan, Korea, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, China, etc. You need to explain what is so different about Britain. Isn't it that we are a smaller, denser island that is even more capital-centric than many of the others? thank you :-) plus the smaller regional centres are much closer together, so the time savings from HS lines between them is marginal Being more capital-centric makes it more, not less, important that other regional centres have fast, frequent links to the centre. |
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Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:41:27 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote: On 30/06/2016 10:01, d wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz" -- Spud And I presume that all paths are currently in use 24x7 (excepting maintenance requirements) as most freight is only time-sensitive to the day. Or are there further agreements not to upset the beauty sleep of those who live next to the WCML for which we're now committing to building a whole new railway? Beats me. Personally while I think there is a case for improvements to rail links to the north, it certainly doesn't warrant 50 billion and counting. I think the money would be better spent improving cross country routes and building proper metro systems in Brum & manchester and more tram systems in smaller cities like the one in nottingham. If the government is really serious about its "northern powerhouse" then you need serious public transport in major cities. They figured this out in europe decades ago - most large french and german cities have metros. -- Spud |
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On 30/06/2016 11:17, d wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:41:27 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: On 30/06/2016 10:01, d wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz" -- Spud And I presume that all paths are currently in use 24x7 (excepting maintenance requirements) as most freight is only time-sensitive to the day. Or are there further agreements not to upset the beauty sleep of those who live next to the WCML for which we're now committing to building a whole new railway? Beats me. Personally while I think there is a case for improvements to rail links to the north, it certainly doesn't warrant 50 billion and counting. I think the money would be better spent improving cross country routes and building proper metro systems in Brum & manchester and more tram systems in smaller cities like the one in nottingham. If the government is really serious about its "northern powerhouse" then you need serious public transport in major cities. They figured this out in europe decades ago - most large french and german cities have metros. I also don't understand the slwoing down of projects "to save money" - surely one thing that everyone agrees on is that railway inflation is somewhat higher than other traditional measures - look at the difference in cost between the Channel Tunnel and Crossrail as a good example. |
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Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:13:12 -0500,
wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz" Not just freight. The capacity shortage also constrains commuter flows south of about Rugby. And that's now. HS2 isn't about meeting demand this month, this year or this decade: it's an investment in capacity that will be needed in the more distant future. And it's a much better, cheaper way of doing so than to add another two dedicated tracks to the existing WCML. One way that high speed lines add capacity is by being dedicated, so all the trains have the same (high) performance. It's the mixing of low and high speed trains, and flat junctions, on classic lines that reduces capacity. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:27:09 +0100
Recliner wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:13:12 -0500, wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz" Not just freight. The capacity shortage also constrains commuter flows south of about Rugby. And that's now. HS2 isn't about meeting demand this month, this year or this decade: it's an investment in capacity that will be needed in the more distant future. And it's a much better, cheaper way of doing so than to add another two dedicated tracks to the existing WCML. Though it might not increase capacity too much, I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Ditto east coast. -- Spud |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:27:09 +0100 Recliner wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:13:12 -0500, wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz" Not just freight. The capacity shortage also constrains commuter flows south of about Rugby. And that's now. HS2 isn't about meeting demand this month, this year or this decade: it's an investment in capacity that will be needed in the more distant future. And it's a much better, cheaper way of doing so than to add another two dedicated tracks to the existing WCML. Though it might not increase capacity too much, I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Ditto east coast. It would reduce capacity, for reasons that have often been outlined here. |
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Basil Jet wrote in : Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU. No, but the Brexit campaigners were suggesting (wrongly, of course) that Turkey was soon join the EU, and that Arab refugees in Germany would soon be granted citizenship, and would then be able to freely move to the UK. |
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2016, d remarked: I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing to do this within living memory. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked: Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU. It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette (who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast. -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun 2016, d remarked: I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing to do this within living memory. Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready? -- Spud |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:31:41 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun 2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked: Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU. It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette (who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast. No reason it should. The le touquet agreement is nothing to do with the EU. -- Spud |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:27:09 +0100 Recliner wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:13:12 -0500, wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:41 +0100 Someone Somewhere wrote: In terms of capacity, I realise there is freight and local services, but is there really no scope for increasing the number of InterCity trains north from Euston beyond 9/hour? Obviously not or they'd have probably done it. AFAIK the real reason for HS2 is to free up paths on the WCML for freight though I guess this wouldn't play too well with the public: "We need you lot to pay for this fancy train so we can shift more containers. Soz" Not just freight. The capacity shortage also constrains commuter flows south of about Rugby. And that's now. HS2 isn't about meeting demand this month, this year or this decade: it's an investment in capacity that will be needed in the more distant future. And it's a much better, cheaper way of doing so than to add another two dedicated tracks to the existing WCML. Though it might not increase capacity too much, I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Ditto east coast. But if you increase the speeds of the fast trains that will reduce capacity further by increasing the speed differential between fast and slow trains. Robin |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun 2016, d remarked: I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing to do this within living memory. Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready? No, not with the current signalling. |
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In article , d () wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun 2016, d remarked: I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing to do this within living memory. Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready? No and there is no point on a mixed-traffic railway. There won't be much 140mph running if the train in front is only doing 60mph. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 30/06/2016 23:29, wrote:
In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun 2016, d remarked: I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing to do this within living memory. Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready? No and there is no point on a mixed-traffic railway. There won't be much 140mph running if the train in front is only doing 60mph. There could be with the right signalling if the 140MPH train is regularly stopping and the 60MPH train is a through freight train. |
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Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 30/06/2016 23:29, wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun 2016, d remarked: I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph? Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing to do this within living memory. Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready? No and there is no point on a mixed-traffic railway. There won't be much 140mph running if the train in front is only doing 60mph. There could be with the right signalling if the 140MPH train is regularly stopping and the 60MPH train is a through freight train. A 140mph train will be an express, not regularly stopping. Stoppers need to have higher acceleration, but rarely have or need a top speed of more than 110mph. Another problem with mixed traffic lines is that heavy freight trains usually lose speed when climbing; modern EMUs do not. So the speed discrepancy becomes even wider on gradients. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 17:09:37 +0100
Martin Coffee wrote: On 30/06/16 17:02, d wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:31:41 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun 2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked: Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving to London Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU. It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette (who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast. No reason it should. The le touquet agreement is nothing to do with the EU. I thought that Boris' opposite number in Calais announced that he was going to charter a ship to bring them all to the UK? The mayor of calais seems to spend her life complaining about the UK. Perhaps she should complain to her own government to do their damn job and process these people instead of allowing mass vagrancy. -- Spud |
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