In message , at 11:02:51 on
Mon, 18 Jul 2016, Optimist remarked:
Countries outside the "single market" sell into it all the time.

Of course they do, but have to deal with tariffs and quotas.

Unless they sign a free trade agreement. The EU has FTAs with many countries which do not involve
adhering to the EU's single market rules.

That sounds a bit contradictory.

The EU has a free trade deal with Mexico. Does that mean Mexicans have freedom to live and work in
the EU?

Who mentioned freedom to live and work?
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Roland Perry

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:56:24 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:02:51 on
Mon, 18 Jul 2016, Optimist remarked:
Countries outside the "single market" sell into it all the time.

Of course they do, but have to deal with tariffs and quotas.

Unless they sign a free trade agreement. The EU has FTAs with many countries which do not involve
adhering to the EU's single market rules.

That sounds a bit contradictory.

The EU has a free trade deal with Mexico. Does that mean Mexicans have freedom to live and work in
the EU?

Who mentioned freedom to live and work?

That's the whole point of freedom of movement rules within the single market - anyone from an EU
country can go to another in order to work even if this undermines local wage agreements.

On 2016-07-18 13:18:09 +0000, Optimist said:

That's the whole point of freedom of movement rules within the single
market - anyone from an EU
country can go to another in order to work even if this undermines
local wage agreements.

Only for a short period. I think it's something like 90 working days
in any calendar year.

It then reverts to local arrangements, though there is not allowed to
be a quota of EU workers. Switzerland[1] requires a work permit to be
obtained, and there are wage controls - you aren't allowed to undercut
a Swiss worker.

I have personal experience of this.

[1] non EU, but does follow the "freedom of movement" stuff.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:23:39 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:

On 2016-07-18 13:18:09 +0000, Optimist said:

That's the whole point of freedom of movement rules within the single
market - anyone from an EU
country can go to another in order to work even if this undermines
local wage agreements.

Only for a short period. I think it's something like 90 working days
in any calendar year.

It then reverts to local arrangements, though there is not allowed to
be a quota of EU workers. Switzerland[1] requires a work permit to be
obtained, and there are wage controls - you aren't allowed to undercut
a Swiss worker.

I have personal experience of this.

[1] non EU, but does follow the "freedom of movement" stuff.

Neil

Look up the Laval case in Sweden.

On 2016-07-18 13:41:18 +0000, Optimist said:

Look up the Laval case in Sweden.

What, this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laval_...arefo rbundet


That appears to relate to whether a union could obstruct people being
brought in for less money, not whether the law could restrict it.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:36:57 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:

On 2016-07-18 13:41:18 +0000, Optimist said:

Look up the Laval case in Sweden.

What, this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laval_...arefo rbundet


That appears to relate to whether a union could obstruct people being
brought in for less money, not whether the law could restrict it.

Neil

The ECJ undermining workers' rights.