38,000,000 smackeroos on 50 tonnes of manure and a few commissioned songs from Rambling Syd Rummpo! It's just not good enough!

"Recliner" wrote in message
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-septe
mber.org, at 14:49:49 on Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Recliner
remarked:
I note this report says £60 million has been "committed" so far.
What is the difference between the £40 million spent and the
£60 million committed?

I wonder how they've managed to spend so much already? Has much work
been
done on the ground?

There's some piling work going on in the river, whether it's for the
garden bridge or not, I don't know.

Apparently not. It now looks like the bridge will get canned, after £38m
has been spent before any actual construction work. Apparently Boris is
the
only cabinet minister in favour, and there's no enthusiasm in City Hall.

Anyone have any idea how you can spend 38 million on just talking about
something

it seems nuts

tim

On 26/07/2016 09:28, Offramp wrote:

On Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:19:10 UTC+1, wrote:

no more to be ordered). His only legacy might be the cycling stuff.

Was it actually Boris that initiated that? I have a vague recollection of
the ground work being done by Ken.

That's what I thought.


The broad concept - and indeed name - of the "Cycle Superhighways"
merged towards the end of Ken's second term.

They concept has developed since they were first launched, with far more
of a focus on segregated cycleways.

I'm no fan of Mr Johnson (never have been, but even less so of late),
however I think he can justifiably claim some credit for them. They were
disruptive to build, and involved reallocating road space away from
vehicles. Hopefully now the concept has some momentum that the current
and future Mayors can latch on to.

On 26.07.16 5:52, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-septe
mber.org, at 14:49:49 on Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Recliner
remarked:
I note this report says £60 million has been "committed" so far.
What is the difference between the £40 million spent and the
£60 million committed?

I wonder how they've managed to spend so much already? Has much work been
done on the ground?

There's some piling work going on in the river, whether it's for the
garden bridge or not, I don't know.

Apparently not. It now looks like the bridge will get canned, after £38m
has been spent before any actual construction work. Apparently Boris is the
only cabinet minister in favour, and there's no enthusiasm in City Hall.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36890524

So this is another Boris project that's hit the skids, after his estuary
airport (no support, Heathrow expansion now more likely), cable car (still
running, but little used) and new Routemaster bus (no more open platforms,
no more to be ordered). His only legacy might be the cycling stuff.

I was on a Borisbus at the weekend, in the heatwave. The lack of windows
made for a rather unpleasant ride.

On 27/07/2016 00:33, wrote:

On 26.07.16 5:52, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Apparently not. It now looks like the bridge will get canned, after £38m
has been spent before any actual construction work. Apparently Boris
is the only cabinet minister in favour, and there's no enthusiasm in
City Hall.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36890524

So this is another Boris project that's hit the skids, after his estuary
airport (no support, Heathrow expansion now more likely), cable car
(still running, but little used) and new Routemaster bus (no more open
platforms, no more to be ordered). His only legacy might be the
cycling stuff.

I was on a Borisbus at the weekend, in the heatwave. The lack of windows
made for a rather unpleasant ride.

You've only just noticed?

They're not nicknamed Roastmasters for nothing.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:00:41 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 27/07/2016 00:33, wrote:
I was on a Borisbus at the weekend, in the heatwave. The lack of windows
made for a rather unpleasant ride.

You've only just noticed?

They're not nicknamed Roastmasters for nothing.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the design meeting and hear the
rational for not including them when they knew they weren't putting in proper
air con to compensate. How an old and well respected bus manufacturer can
make such a blunder beggars belief.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:00:41 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 27/07/2016 00:33, wrote:
I was on a Borisbus at the weekend, in the heatwave. The lack of windows
made for a rather unpleasant ride.

You've only just noticed?

They're not nicknamed Roastmasters for nothing.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the design meeting and hear the
rational for not including them when they knew they weren't putting in proper
air con to compensate. How an old and well respected bus manufacturer can
make such a blunder beggars belief.

Perhaps it doesn't get warm enough in Belfast for them to realise that the
buses would need proper aircon in London? Of course, that would need the
engine to keep running even more of the time in hot weather.

In article ,
d wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:52:06 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
There's some piling work going on in the river, whether it's for the
garden bridge or not, I don't know.

Apparently not. It now looks like the bridge will get canned, after £38m
has been spent before any actual construction work. Apparently Boris is the
only cabinet minister in favour, and there's no enthusiasm in City Hall.

Can't say I'm surprised. A nice idea in times of plenty, but completely
inappropriate right now when the money could be spent on far more important
projects.

Even in times of plenty, it's a stunningly poor execution. It should be a
public space - not a semi-private one.

Also, a long way east. But that's another argument.

airport (no support, Heathrow expansion now more likely), cable car (still
running, but little used) and new Routemaster bus (no more open platforms,

Wonder how long before the doors close on the cable car. Its obviously losing
money and that can't be sustained for long.

It's the thurd best tourist attraction that TfL run - after the
meuseum and the heritage bus routes. (Acton is for transport nerds,
not tourists).

no more to be ordered). His only legacy might be the cycling stuff.

Was it actually Boris that initiated that? I have a vague recollection of
the ground work being done by Ken.

I think it's fair to say that Boris' administration pushed cycling a long
way. While there was work prior to his administration, the game-changing
stuff happened under him.

--
Mike Bristow

d wrote in :

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:00:41 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 27/07/2016 00:33, wrote:
I was on a Borisbus at the weekend, in the heatwave. The lack of
windows made for a rather unpleasant ride.

You've only just noticed?

They're not nicknamed Roastmasters for nothing.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the design meeting and hear
the rational for not including them when they knew they weren't
putting in proper air con to compensate. How an old and well respected
bus manufacturer can make such a blunder beggars belief.

--
Spud


Especially as the exact same mistake was made with FRM1 in 1966:

http://www.routemaster.org.uk/pages/history-1-FRM

David

On 27.07.16 8:00, Mizter T wrote:

On 27/07/2016 00:33, wrote:

On 26.07.16 5:52, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Apparently not. It now looks like the bridge will get canned, after £38m
has been spent before any actual construction work. Apparently Boris
is the only cabinet minister in favour, and there's no enthusiasm in
City Hall.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36890524

So this is another Boris project that's hit the skids, after his estuary
airport (no support, Heathrow expansion now more likely), cable car
(still running, but little used) and new Routemaster bus (no more open
platforms, no more to be ordered). His only legacy might be the
cycling stuff.

I was on a Borisbus at the weekend, in the heatwave. The lack of windows
made for a rather unpleasant ride.

You've only just noticed?

They're not nicknamed Roastmasters for nothing.
I was on one a few years ago, though I thought that they would have
installed windows that open by now.

What's with the exhaust on them, BTW? Somehow I was under the impression
that it may not have properly vented.