http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417

I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed
between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle?

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417

I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed
between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle?

It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a
miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and
some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be
bought instead for considerably less.

On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even
considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electric
part of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to
me it would be a perfect solution for central london.

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On Tuesday, 12 July 2016 09:28:12 UTC+1, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417

I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed
between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle?

It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a
miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and
some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be
bought instead for considerably less.

I hope they disappear sooner than that. At least supposedly no more are being
built, although I can't find a reference for that right now.

Who'd buy one though? Plenty of ex-London buses have ended up elsewhere, often
with the middle door removed. Where would want some over-long greenhouses with
not just one unwanted door but two, and an unwanted staircase too!

Everything about them is awful. I can't think of a single redeeming feature.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:49:36 -0700 (PDT)
Mark wrote:
I hope they disappear sooner than that. At least supposedly no more are being
built, although I can't find a reference for that right now.

I doubt Kahn will finance any more of them.

Who'd buy one though? Plenty of ex-London buses have ended up elsewhere, often
with the middle door removed. Where would want some over-long greenhouses with
not just one unwanted door but two, and an unwanted staircase too!

Everything about them is awful. I can't think of a single redeeming feature.

They do look quite nice. But thats about it IMO. Hardly a reason for the 350K
a pop price tag.

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Spud

Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 July 2016 09:28:12 UTC+1, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417

I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed
between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle?

It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a
miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and
some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be
bought instead for considerably less.

I hope they disappear sooner than that. At least supposedly no more are being
built, although I can't find a reference for that right now.

No more are to be ordered, but I think the last order, placed this January,
is still being built. At least the last batch have cleaner Euro 6 engines.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-of-boris-bus

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:18:25 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

No more are to be ordered, but I think the last order, placed this January,
is still being built. At least the last batch have cleaner Euro 6 engines.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-of-boris-bus

They've had euro6 engines since LT 273 was delivered. In the first
272 buses there were also six trial euro6 equipped LTs.

The extra batch of 195 may or may not be in build. We are at the point
of annual factory holidays and the buses up to LT805 have arrived. I
understand Wrights will be decommissioning one of the two production
lines so the rate of deliveries will slow somewhat - 141 due up to
March 2016 and the balance of 54 in financial year 2017/18 (starts
April 2017).

March 2016 or 2017? The latter I assume.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:10 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417

I assume this means the rear platform doors will now always be closed
between stops, obviating one of the (small) benefits of this vehicle?

It obviates the only remaining benefit given their hybrid systems seem to be a
miserable failure too. Hopefully in 10 years or so they'll be sold on and
some standard buses - whether hybrid or pure electric who knows - will be
bought instead for considerably less.

On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even
considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electric
part of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to
me it would be a perfect solution for central london.

I have been to Boston but not recently. Is it still, like most places
in the USA,, cluttered with overhead wiring?

Guy Gorton

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:43:09 +0100
Guy Gorton wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:10 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On that subject I'm not entirely sure why successive mayors have never even
considered trolley buses, at least in part like in Boston where its electric
part of the way and a diesel engine takes over where the wires stop. Seems to
me it would be a perfect solution for central london.

I have been to Boston but not recently. Is it still, like most places
in the USA,, cluttered with overhead wiring?

Don't know, I haven't been there since the 90s. I just read about their hybrid
trolleybus system. Seemed like a good solution to the problems of pollution
in central london to me.

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It is a good solution - or, at least, partial solution - but it's
different, original and not part of the stultifying orthodoxy
London politicians adhere to. Don't expect people like Khan
and Shawcross to embrace any idea that does not involve
blaming everything on the motorist.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:50:01 +0200
Robin9 wrote:
;156820 Wrote:
Don't know, I haven't been there since the 90s. I just read about their
hybrid
trolleybus system. Seemed like a good solution to the problems of
pollution
in central london to me.

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Spud

It is a good solution - or, at least, partial solution - but it's
different, original and not part of the stultifying orthodoxy
London politicians adhere to. Don't expect people like Khan
and Shawcross to embrace any idea that does not involve
blaming everything on the motorist.

Yes, it seems car drivers seem to be the cause of all traffic ills in London
when if you look at the average central london traffic jam it usually consists
of buses, taxis & minicabs. Which is probably why Kahn wants to extend the
congestion charge to the north circular (hopefully exclusive, not inclusive).
I have no problem restricting cars in the central area, but taking it that
far out is just taking the **** and simply a cynical money raising scheme.

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Spud