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Another one bites the dust
"Recliner" wrote in message ... So, yet another all 'business class' (closer to premium economy) service between a secondary London airport and New York has folded: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ight-canceled/ This must be at least the fourth or fifth all 'business' class service to New York from Luton or Stansted to fail. It's a business model that just can't work there isn't enough customers to support 4 or 5 flights a day and business people, mined to pay business class fares, aren't keen to fly on an airline that has one flight a day (or less) because if it gets cancelled they have a very expensive lost day. tim |
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tim... wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message ... So, yet another all 'business class' (closer to premium economy) service between a secondary London airport and New York has folded: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ight-canceled/ This must be at least the fourth or fifth all 'business' class service to New York from Luton or Stansted to fail. It's a business model that just can't work there isn't enough customers to support 4 or 5 flights a day and business people, mined to pay business class fares, aren't keen to fly on an airline that has one flight a day (or less) because if it gets cancelled they have a very expensive lost day. The attraction with these services is that they're much cheaper than normal business class flights. But there's really no other benefit. They're not as good as proper business class, no frequent flyer programme, only one route, with only one flight a day, etc. But it also shows that the business market from London is primarily from Heathrow, with a limited amount from Gatwick. |
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On 20.09.16 16:55, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote: "Recliner" wrote in message ... So, yet another all 'business class' (closer to premium economy) service between a secondary London airport and New York has folded: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ight-canceled/ This must be at least the fourth or fifth all 'business' class service to New York from Luton or Stansted to fail. It's a business model that just can't work there isn't enough customers to support 4 or 5 flights a day and business people, mined to pay business class fares, aren't keen to fly on an airline that has one flight a day (or less) because if it gets cancelled they have a very expensive lost day. The attraction with these services is that they're much cheaper than normal business class flights. But there's really no other benefit. They're not as good as proper business class, no frequent flyer programme, only one route, with only one flight a day, etc. But it also shows that the business market from London is primarily from Heathrow, with a limited amount from Gatwick. Well, that route is sort of going from Q to Z, when indeed you needed A to B. Luton is a ways out, and Newark is not the closest to Manhattan. |
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Well, that route is sort of going from Q to Z, when indeed you needed A
to B. Luton is a ways out, and Newark is not the closest to Manhattan. Actually, Newark airport is closer to midtown than JFK is, and the bus and train options work fine. La Guardia is even closer but it doesn't handle international flights other than precleared ones from nearby Canada. I think the problem with these airlines is that they're chasing the market of people who want a better than coach seat on an international flight, but fly so infrequently that they don't care about the lack of onwards connections or a frequent flyer program. That doesn't sound like a very big market. Also, if you want something better than coach on the relatively short flights from the UK to the eastern US or Canada, several airlines have a premium coach that is OK. |
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On 20/09/2016 23:07, Recliner wrote: wrote: Well, that route is sort of going from Q to Z, when indeed you needed A to B. Luton is a ways out, and Newark is not the closest to Manhattan. Huh? Luton is hardly any further out than Gatwick, and Newark is the nearest trans-Atlantic airport to Manhattan. Indeed. A friend who does this with some regularity prefers a Newark arrival over JFK. |
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On 2016-09-20 22:11:44 +0000, Mizter T said:
Indeed. A friend who does this with some regularity prefers a Newark arrival over JFK. And Luton is better connected to the City than Heathrow. Though the perception of "rubbish charter airport" is hard to kill, particularly at present as due to expansion work it is quite rubbish (be nice when it's done though). Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On 20.09.16 23:11, Mizter T wrote:
On 20/09/2016 23:07, Recliner wrote: wrote: Well, that route is sort of going from Q to Z, when indeed you needed A to B. Luton is a ways out, and Newark is not the closest to Manhattan. Huh? Luton is hardly any further out than Gatwick, and Newark is the nearest trans-Atlantic airport to Manhattan. Indeed. A friend who does this with some regularity prefers a Newark arrival over JFK. I stand corrected. |
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On 2016-09-20 22:07:54 +0000, Recliner said:
Huh? Luton is hardly any further out than Gatwick, and Newark is the nearest trans-Atlantic airport to Manhattan. A lot of people are put off Luton by the bus connection, sufficiently so that LBC are looking at building some kind of rail shuttle thing. Which is actually counterintuitive, as to some gates at Gatwick you walk almost as far as the bus goes (well, probably not quite, but it feels like it), there's the inter-terminal train, and at Luton bags are returned far, far quicker than any other significantly sized airport (the reason for which is the simplicity of the baggage system - it just involves two blokes and a flatbed Transit). Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:35:52 +0100
Neil Williams wrote: On 2016-09-20 22:07:54 +0000, Recliner said: Huh? Luton is hardly any further out than Gatwick, and Newark is the nearest trans-Atlantic airport to Manhattan. A lot of people are put off Luton by the bus connection, sufficiently so that LBC are looking at building some kind of rail shuttle thing. LBC? Wow, Global Radio really are expanding their remit Not sure how a rail shuttle would work unless its a cog railway given how much higher the airport is compared to the MML. feels like it), there's the inter-terminal train, and at Luton bags are returned far, far quicker than any other significantly sized airport (the reason for which is the simplicity of the baggage system - it just involves two blokes and a flatbed Transit). Last time I used Luton was 2013 and it seemed pretty well managed on the way out. On the way back was a different story however - a mile long walk to security up and down stairs from the gate, followed by no information at baggage collection for about 15 mins followed by bags coming out in dribs and drabs for the next 20 mins. And this IIRC was in April, hardly peak holiday season. -- Spud |
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