The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

A genuinely private business jet that flies when and where you want it to
is one thing, but a shared, scheduled weekly service in a small, cramped
business jet to Stansted is another, particularly at higher than first
class fares. Someone wanting to fly in comfort from NYC to Canary Wharf or
the City would be much better off flying on BA's daily direct flight from
London City airport.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

In article you write:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

John Levine wrote:
In article
you
write:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

I wondered if LGA's executive jet FBO could be used?
http://www.talonairjets.com/laguardi...te-jet-charter

After all, the service will be using executive jets.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

I wondered if LGA's executive jet FBO could be used?
http://www.talonairjets.com/laguardi...te-jet-charter

It said the Marine Air Terminal, which is the original airport
building, used by flying boats taking off and landing on the water,
with fabulous art deco details. It's had its ups and downs but was
extensively refurbished about 20 years ago. It's currently used for
the Delta shuttle and for private jets. Finding a place for two biz
jets a week is not the problem, the problem is that there's nobody to
clear incoming passengers through customs and immigration when they
arrive.

I suppose that for two flights a week with a dozen people they could
pay to have some customs staff come up from JFK for an hour or so,
but the whole thing seems dodgy.

R's,
John

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

John Levine wrote:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

I wondered if LGA's executive jet FBO could be used?
http://www.talonairjets.com/laguardi...te-jet-charter

It said the Marine Air Terminal, which is the original airport
building, used by flying boats taking off and landing on the water,
with fabulous art deco details. It's had its ups and downs but was
extensively refurbished about 20 years ago. It's currently used for
the Delta shuttle and for private jets. Finding a place for two biz
jets a week is not the problem, the problem is that there's nobody to
clear incoming passengers through customs and immigration when they
arrive.

I suppose that for two flights a week with a dozen people they could
pay to have some customs staff come up from JFK for an hour or so,
but the whole thing seems dodgy.

Presumably they'll use whatever arrangement is currently used with other
private jets, which already use LGA for long haul flights. I notice their
announcement mentions that customers will "Proceed rapidly through
customs".

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

In message , at 19:58:54 on Tue, 17 Jan
2017, John Levine remarked:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

Does it say the flights are non-stop?

Perhaps they'll clear customs/immigration en-route, as BA does at
Shannon for its flights from London City Airport.

As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?
--
Roland Perry

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:58:54 on Tue, 17 Jan
2017, John Levine remarked:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

But LaGuardia is a domestic airport. It has no customs or immigration
facilities and its only international flights are from Canada, where
flights are precleared. It seems rather unlikely that the US would set
up a preclearance station at Stansted.

Does it say the flights are non-stop?

I'm pretty sure they're non-stop.


Perhaps they'll clear customs/immigration en-route, as BA does at
Shannon for its flights from London City Airport.

No need. LGA already handles long haul business jets, providing customs and
immigration facilities, just as are available at many other small airports
used by private jets. Just because they aren't provided for larger
commercial jets doesn't stop them being available for small business jets
carrying a handful of people, whose identities will already have been
notified.

Presumably they have to be pre-booked, to ensure that the staff are
available. For example, I don't think the Harrods terminal at Luton is busy
enough to have full-time customs and immigration staff, but they come over
when needed.

Also, many private jet flights are not physically checked. Like boats, they
notify customs, but if the passengers say they have nothing to declare,
customs may choose to accept their declaration without physically being
present, just as most pax going through the green channel aren't stopped.
Presumably they need, at most, one immigration officer, but perhaps even
that may not be needed.


As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?

Unlikely, I'd have thought. Surely regular passengers would rather fly
first class from Heathrow, or on the existing LCY JFK flights? And people
who routinely use business jets won't want to share them with strangers. A
packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial flight.

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:02:07 on Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:

As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?

Unlikely, I'd have thought. Surely regular passengers would rather fly
first class from Heathrow, or on the existing LCY JFK flights? And people
who routinely use business jets won't want to share them with strangers.

One of their USPs is reducing the "overhead" time at the airports both
ends (and the NY end being closer to Manhattan).

There's a lot of US-focussed hi-tech companies in the Cambridge area.

A packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial
flight.

I expect the clients will be sufficiently comfortable in the business
jet.
--
Roland Perry

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

John Levine wrote:
In article you write:
https://50skyshades.com/news/business-aviation/bliss-jet-to-launch-laguardia-to-london-private-jet-service-in-january

This looks like the next dead cert failure.

This looks like vapourware. It says the New York end of the flights
will be at the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia airport, correctly
noting that it's considerably closer to midtown Manhattan than either
JFK or Newark.

They also seem to be confused, advertising Westchester-Biggin Hill in June.
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...w-york-service

Does Westchester have customs and immigration?

Oh sorry, Westchester and Stansted:
http://media.wix.com/ugd/22fe6d_aa60...4d8325ba06.pdf

Ooops, I mean La Guardia and Stansted:
http://www.blissjet.com/where-we-fly

Third time lucky?

(links all from the Blissjet website)

Theo

The next doomed Stansted NYC business jet
 

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:36:13 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:02:07 on Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:

As for the business model - perhaps they have one (or two) customers who
have commissioned a regular trip, and this is a way of selling a few
more seats on the plane?

Unlikely, I'd have thought. Surely regular passengers would rather fly
first class from Heathrow, or on the existing LCY JFK flights? And people
who routinely use business jets won't want to share them with strangers.

One of their USPs is reducing the "overhead" time at the airports both
ends (and the NY end being closer to Manhattan).

Yes

There's a lot of US-focussed hi-tech companies in the Cambridge area.

True

A packed business jet will be less comfortable than a commercial
flight.

I expect the clients will be sufficiently comfortable in the business
jet.

Not compared to the significantly cheaper first class seats on a
commercial flight.