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The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
Dear all
I know it’s a few weeks out of date, but thought that all “bendy” lovers would like to see this: Scania’s new bi-artic – yes, with two trailer sections. And it’s gas powered. https://www.scania.com/group/en/scan...ulated-euro-6- gas-bus/ Sadly, only in LatAm so far – but we can always dream, while BJ can have another nightmare! TAFN Ken |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:06:00 +0100
Water musician wrote: Dear all I know it’s a few weeks out of date, but thought that all “bendy” lovers would like to see this: Scania’s new bi-artic – yes, with two trailer sections. And it’s gas powered. https://www.scania.com/group/en/scan...ulated-euro-6- gas-bus/ Sadly, only in LatAm so far – but we can always dream, while BJ can have another nightmare! I suspect buses are the last thing on bojos mind these days. You have to wonder how cyclists in europe cope with these mass murdering buses! -- Spud |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
In message , at 11:47:43
on Wed, 25 Jan 2017, remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. -- Roland Perry |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 11:47:43 on Wed, 25 Jan 2017, remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
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The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:24:17 on Wed, 25 Jan 2017, remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in. I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly? https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705 |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
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-septe mber.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in. I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly? https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705 Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre). -- Roland Perry |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: In message -septe mber.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in. I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly? https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705 Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre). Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to see them banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents with buggies. Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here. -- Spud |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message -septe mber.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in. I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly? https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705 Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre). Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to see them banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents with buggies. Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here. It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do anything for election (to be repeated later). We've seen, successfully IMHO, how separating cycle traffic from the rest can work well, as long as it improves walking routes as well. This has a bigger positive effect than a minor (thoughtless, vindictive) change to bus allocation while other drivers carry on as before. Double-artics are now in Barcelona as well, an ideal city for a bus that likes straight roads. They have been removed from... Hamburg, was it? Switzerland seems to be the best place to see them now. Richard. |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
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(Richard) wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message - september.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in. I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly? https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705 Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre). Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to see them banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents with buggies. Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here. It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do anything for election (to be repeated later). You never cycled amongst them as I did then. Their length made them a nightmare to cycle around. We've seen, successfully IMHO, how separating cycle traffic from the rest can work well, as long as it improves walking routes as well. This has a bigger positive effect than a minor (thoughtless, vindictive) change to bus allocation while other drivers carry on as before. Yup. I cycled between Blackfriars Bridge and Westminster Bridge both ways along the Embankment cycleway today. Wish we had such good facilities in Cambridge. Double-artics are now in Barcelona as well, an ideal city for a bus that likes straight roads. They have been removed from... Hamburg, was it? Switzerland seems to be the best place to see them now. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:34:32 -0600
wrote: In article , (Richard) wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message - september.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in. I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly? https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705 Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre). Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to see them banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents with buggies. Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here. It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do anything for election (to be repeated later). You never cycled amongst them as I did then. Their length made them a nightmare to cycle around. So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large vehicle - then don't. Simple. -- Spud |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
In article , d () wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:34:32 -0600 wrote: In article , (Richard) wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: In message 982695317.507114532.580857.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@ news.eternal-september.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner remarked: Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on. Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds buzzing around, and very few cyclists. Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists. To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in. I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly? https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705 Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre). Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without a problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to see them banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents with buggies. Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self righteous snowflakes on bikes we have here. It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do anything for election (to be repeated later). You never cycled amongst them as I did then. Their length made them a nightmare to cycle around. So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large vehicle - then don't. Simple. They aren't as long and there are far fewer in the bits of central London I tend to cycle in. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 05:47:39 -0600
wrote: In article , d () wrote: So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large vehicle - then don't. Simple. They aren't as long and there are far fewer in the bits of central London I tend to cycle in. They're not that much shorter than bendies but they have a far bigger throw when the trailer goes around the corner so are actually far more dangerous. -- Spud |
The stuff of Boris J's nightmares?
In article , d () wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 05:47:39 -0600 wrote: In article , d () wrote: So how do you cope with HGVs? If you feel unsafe cycling around a large vehicle - then don't. Simple. They aren't as long and there are far fewer in the bits of central London I tend to cycle in. They're not that much shorter than bendies but they have a far bigger throw when the trailer goes around the corner so are actually far more dangerous. There are still far fewer of them and they don't keep pulling in to the kerb for bus stops. I have to say I don't think I come across one between Liverpool Street and Westminster and back yesterday. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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