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In article , d () wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:32:46 -0500 wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 08:19:03 on Thu, 20 Apr 2017, d remarked: On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 16:14:24 -0500 wrote: This is probably true but the unguided section at Orchard Park probably and the approach section to Cambridge North station definitely are unguided on cost grounds. Comparing to clearing the ground, casting the concrete and moving into place, how much extra in percentage terms would bolting a pair of steel guiderails into place cost? It can't be that great and I'd be surprised if they didn't recycle the old rail track to create them. I suggest you come to Cambridge and have a closer look at Guided Busway construction. You wouldn't then spout that nonsense. What nonsense? Are you saying guideway rails are made of some special type of highly expensive Unobtainium and the steel from recycled rails just isn't up to the job? Its a ****ing busway, not a railgun launch platform! Its primitive construction personified - it doesn't even require points FFS. They're not rails. And there is no guideway at junctions either. I'm afraid you are talking out of your posterior. They aren't rails for starters. Which has other benefits, such as not being restricted to buses-with-guide-wheels. Not so. The steel guide rails at the entrance and exit to the roadway prevent anything other than guided buses from entering. There's a similar arrangement controlling access from the guideway across Harrison Way at St Ives. I'm pretty sure plenty of bus drivers with good judgement could get an unguided bus between those rails. Not safely which is why it's verboten. Still, perhaps like in Edinburgh, sense might one day prevail and the whole pathetic system is ripped up and replaced by a tramway. And don't say there isn't the room - if they can squeeze a tramway into hilly nottinghams market square and weave one around the centre of manchester they could do it in cambridge too. There I agree with you, though I think heavy rail would have been the better solution for St Ives. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 19:51:45 -0500
wrote: In article , d () wrote: What nonsense? Are you saying guideway rails are made of some special type of highly expensive Unobtainium and the steel from recycled rails just isn't up to the job? Its a ****ing busway, not a railgun launch platform! Its primitive construction personified - it doesn't even require points FFS. They're not rails. And there is no guideway at junctions either. I'm afraid No ****. Perhaps thats why I said it doesn't require points. you are talking out of your posterior. They aren't rails for starters. They're guiderails. say there isn't the room - if they can squeeze a tramway into hilly nottinghams market square and weave one around the centre of manchester they could do it in cambridge too. There I agree with you, though I think heavy rail would have been the better solution for St Ives. I do wonder if some brown envelopes changed hands to get this busway built. I can't see any other good reason for a perfectly servicable railway to be ripped up and replaced with an inferior alternative. -- Spud |
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 19:51:45 on Fri, 21 Apr 2017, remarked: Still, perhaps like in Edinburgh, sense might one day prevail and the whole pathetic system is ripped up and replaced by a tramway. And don't say there isn't the room - if they can squeeze a tramway into hilly nottinghams market square and weave one around the centre of manchester they could do it in cambridge too. There I agree with you, though I think heavy rail would have been the better solution for St Ives. St Ives is not nearly large enough to justify a new heavy rail station. And remember the guided bus serves not just a field outside St Ives, but many of the local villages, and Huntingdon. The only reason *anything* was done is to serve Northstowe, and love it or hate it the bus is better than 1tph 2-car DMU shuttling between Cambridge and St Ives Parkway. That wasn't the rail plan which for through trains and electrification. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , d ()
wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 19:51:45 -0500 wrote: In article , d () wrote: What nonsense? Are you saying guideway rails are made of some special type of highly expensive Unobtainium and the steel from recycled rails just isn't up to the job? Its a ****ing busway, not a railgun launch platform! Its primitive construction personified - it doesn't even require points FFS. They're not rails. And there is no guideway at junctions either. I'm afraid No ****. Perhaps thats why I said it doesn't require points. you are talking out of your posterior. They aren't rails for starters. They're guiderails. They are concrete structures providing channels for wheels. Have a good look at them. I have! say there isn't the room - if they can squeeze a tramway into hilly nottinghams market square and weave one around the centre of manchester they could do it in cambridge too. There I agree with you, though I think heavy rail would have been the better solution for St Ives. I do wonder if some brown envelopes changed hands to get this busway built. I can't see any other good reason for a perfectly servicable railway to be ripped up and replaced with an inferior alternative. You obviously didn't look at the state the railway was in after the sand trains ceased. It would have been costly to get a proper railway line reinstated. The government decided they could get "high quality public transport" on the cheap and gave the County Council no realistic rail option. The government was paying. He who pays the piper picks the tune. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 15:04:54 on Sat, 22 Apr 2017, d remarked: There I agree with you, though I think heavy rail would have been the better solution for St Ives. I do wonder if some brown envelopes changed hands to get this busway built. Most of the money was a government grant (until the project went into crazy-overspend mode). I can't see any other good reason for a perfectly servicable railway to be ripped up and replaced with an inferior alternative. It wasn't serviceable, and all the stations were gone. No they weren't. Indeed some of the buildings and platforms are still there. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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