On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 13:12:14 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 02/04/2017 12:54, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 09:47:12 +0100, e27002 aurora
wrote:


OK, so I have had it with the Woking RailAir coach link. I need an
alternative means of reaching the airport. Train from the South Coast
to Woking is fine. But what are the alternatives for reaching the
airport?

Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?

There are very good reasons to go to Heathrow - I still go there to
catch long haul flights. I'm prepared to put up with GWR to Reading
then the bus to get a non stop flight. Equally Gatwick sometimes via
Reading.

That said, going from Bristol, Southampton or Exeter (all
possibilities for me) means a shorter and easier journey at the UK end
but for long haul will mean a chage of plane somewhere.

Are you in a position to make somekind of trade off and use either
Southampton or Gatwick?


No flights from Southampton to the US.

Not non-stop but by the time you've got to Heathrow (much less fought
your way through) you could be through Southampton and en-route to
Paris (as an example) to get a flight to the USA. And Gatwick does
have flights to the US (albeit, not many).

(Let's face it any long haul from Southampton means changing planes in
Europe somewhere).

Personally, I'd prefer the non-stop from Heathrow but that doesn't
mean our OP might not be prepared to avoid Heathrow.

On 02/04/2017 15:33, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 13:12:14 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 02/04/2017 12:54, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 09:47:12 +0100, e27002 aurora
wrote:


OK, so I have had it with the Woking RailAir coach link. I need an
alternative means of reaching the airport. Train from the South Coast
to Woking is fine. But what are the alternatives for reaching the
airport?

Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?

There are very good reasons to go to Heathrow - I still go there to
catch long haul flights. I'm prepared to put up with GWR to Reading
then the bus to get a non stop flight. Equally Gatwick sometimes via
Reading.

That said, going from Bristol, Southampton or Exeter (all
possibilities for me) means a shorter and easier journey at the UK end
but for long haul will mean a chage of plane somewhere.

Are you in a position to make somekind of trade off and use either
Southampton or Gatwick?


No flights from Southampton to the US.

Not non-stop but by the time you've got to Heathrow (much less fought
your way through) you could be through Southampton and en-route to
Paris (as an example) to get a flight to the USA.

The problem is most Paris - US flights use Charles de Gaulle and flights
from Southampton go to Orly. So no advantage. Years ago Air France did
operate a link between Southampton and CdG but that was best part of 30
years ago.

And Gatwick does
have flights to the US (albeit, not many).

(Let's face it any long haul from Southampton means changing planes in
Europe somewhere).

Personally, I'd prefer the non-stop from Heathrow but that doesn't
mean our OP might not be prepared to avoid Heathrow.


I gather Adrian's complaint is not so much about using Heathrow as the
bus service from Woking which is fairly poor for such an important link.
The NRE website doesn't even give it as an option travelling from
Portsmouth

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Graeme Wall
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In message , at 06:45:45
on Sun, 2 Apr 2017, remarked:
https://www.uber.com/en-GB/drive/lon...-requirements/

The main complaint is that they don't (do much checking). And
reportedly the problem with insurance is they don't track cancellations

I'm not even sure there's a mechanism for that even if they wanted to

They could do spot checks on the drivers, say once a month on average
for each, and blacklist the ones without insurance.

I think you mean take them to court to get 6 points on their licence?

Uber isn't able to do such prosecutions.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
06:45:45 on Sun, 2 Apr 2017, remarked:
https://www.uber.com/en-GB/drive/lon...-requirements/

The main complaint is that they don't (do much checking). And
reportedly the problem with insurance is they don't track
cancellations

I'm not even sure there's a mechanism for that even if they wanted to

They could do spot checks on the drivers, say once a month on average
for each, and blacklist the ones without insurance.

I think you mean take them to court to get 6 points on their licence?

No, but the licensing authorities and police are.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 12:29:00
on Sun, 2 Apr 2017, remarked:
https://www.uber.com/en-GB/drive/lon...-requirements/

The main complaint is that they don't (do much checking). And
reportedly the problem with insurance is they don't track
cancellations

I'm not even sure there's a mechanism for that even if they wanted to

They could do spot checks on the drivers, say once a month on average
for each, and blacklist the ones without insurance.

I think you mean take them to court to get 6 points on their licence?

No, but the licensing authorities and police are.

Why would Uber snitch on their customers (and make no mistake, Uber's
customers are the drivers, passengers are the customers of the drivers).
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 15:55:48 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 02/04/2017 15:33, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 13:12:14 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 02/04/2017 12:54, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 09:47:12 +0100, e27002 aurora
wrote:


OK, so I have had it with the Woking RailAir coach link. I need an
alternative means of reaching the airport. Train from the South Coast
to Woking is fine. But what are the alternatives for reaching the
airport?

Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?

There are very good reasons to go to Heathrow - I still go there to
catch long haul flights. I'm prepared to put up with GWR to Reading
then the bus to get a non stop flight. Equally Gatwick sometimes via
Reading.

That said, going from Bristol, Southampton or Exeter (all
possibilities for me) means a shorter and easier journey at the UK end
but for long haul will mean a chage of plane somewhere.

Are you in a position to make somekind of trade off and use either
Southampton or Gatwick?


No flights from Southampton to the US.

Not non-stop but by the time you've got to Heathrow (much less fought
your way through) you could be through Southampton and en-route to
Paris (as an example) to get a flight to the USA.

The problem is most Paris - US flights use Charles de Gaulle and flights
from Southampton go to Orly. So no advantage. Years ago Air France did
operate a link between Southampton and CdG but that was best part of 30
years ago.

And Gatwick does
have flights to the US (albeit, not many).

(Let's face it any long haul from Southampton means changing planes in
Europe somewhere).

Personally, I'd prefer the non-stop from Heathrow but that doesn't
mean our OP might not be prepared to avoid Heathrow.


I gather Adrian's complaint is not so much about using Heathrow as the
bus service from Woking which is fairly poor for such an important link.
The NRE website doesn't even give it as an option travelling from
Portsmouth

I think you need to update your knowledge. Flybe operate
Southampton/Charles de Gaulle.

But the precise detail isn't the issue. What I'm suggesting is that
by using a different airport and therefore avoiding the
Woking/Heathrow bus It MIGHT (and I stress might) be that the total
journey from home to destination could be as quick and less stressful.
The precise combination is going to depend on the actual start and end
points.

Whilst NRE says Portsmouth/Heathrow via Woking can be done in as
little as 2hrs 15 mins it also tells me that changing at Winchester
Birmingham International is 3hrs 15mins. If the Woking link is so
unreliable some people might argue that XC is a better bet and if the
flight times mesh with the flights a less congested airport such as
Birmingham (and even less congested, Southampton) might provide an
equivalent journey even allowing for the extra hour to get to
Birmingham and (depending on the destination) having to change en
route when Heathrow might be non-stop.

It could even be cheaper. When I was booking London/San Francisco
return last year a chance remark had me look at Manchester/London/San
Francisco. That was cheaper even though I was using the same flights
LON/SFO/LON. Aren't market forces wonderful?!

Her's a final thing. If you're going on holiday to Argentina and one
of the places you wnt to go to is Iguassu how do you get there? I
was so fixated on Argentina that I was assuming fly to Buenos Aires
then back to Iguassu. It wasn't until the agency I was using
suggested it that I realised a better way was London/Sao
Paulo/Iguassu, stay on the Brazilian side and then get a transfer to
the Argentine airport to continue to BA and, after touring othe bits
of Argentina fly non stop back to London.

A bit of flexibility and thinking a little out of the box can
sometimes bear fruit.

On 02/04/2017 18:58, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 15:55:48 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 02/04/2017 15:33, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 13:12:14 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 02/04/2017 12:54, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 09:47:12 +0100, e27002 aurora
wrote:


OK, so I have had it with the Woking RailAir coach link. I need an
alternative means of reaching the airport. Train from the South Coast
to Woking is fine. But what are the alternatives for reaching the
airport?

Has anyone used Uber? How does it work? What is the service like?

There are very good reasons to go to Heathrow - I still go there to
catch long haul flights. I'm prepared to put up with GWR to Reading
then the bus to get a non stop flight. Equally Gatwick sometimes via
Reading.

That said, going from Bristol, Southampton or Exeter (all
possibilities for me) means a shorter and easier journey at the UK end
but for long haul will mean a chage of plane somewhere.

Are you in a position to make somekind of trade off and use either
Southampton or Gatwick?


No flights from Southampton to the US.

Not non-stop but by the time you've got to Heathrow (much less fought
your way through) you could be through Southampton and en-route to
Paris (as an example) to get a flight to the USA.

The problem is most Paris - US flights use Charles de Gaulle and flights
from Southampton go to Orly. So no advantage. Years ago Air France did
operate a link between Southampton and CdG but that was best part of 30
years ago.

And Gatwick does
have flights to the US (albeit, not many).

(Let's face it any long haul from Southampton means changing planes in
Europe somewhere).

Personally, I'd prefer the non-stop from Heathrow but that doesn't
mean our OP might not be prepared to avoid Heathrow.


I gather Adrian's complaint is not so much about using Heathrow as the
bus service from Woking which is fairly poor for such an important link.
The NRE website doesn't even give it as an option travelling from
Portsmouth

I think you need to update your knowledge. Flybe operate
Southampton/Charles de Gaulle.

That's fairly recent, thanks for the update. Ignore my remarks then.

[snip]

Her's a final thing. If you're going on holiday to Argentina and one
of the places you wnt to go to is Iguassu how do you get there? I
was so fixated on Argentina that I was assuming fly to Buenos Aires
then back to Iguassu. It wasn't until the agency I was using
suggested it that I realised a better way was London/Sao
Paulo/Iguassu, stay on the Brazilian side and then get a transfer to
the Argentine airport to continue to BA and, after touring othe bits
of Argentina fly non stop back to London.

When we go to Buenos Aires we are visiting her indoors' rellies, so tend
to go direct there and then travel on later, which is the practical
option anyway of heading south or west. Last time we did Iguacu we took
a long distance bus from BA that does an overnight run. It's better
than it sounds, the initial bit out to Zarate to cross the Parana river
is quite interesting but then it gets fairly boring until you are most
of the way there, that's the bit you do at night.

Also when we did it, open-jaw tickets were very expensive.[1] The
modern system of booking each leg separately makes it a much more
economical proposition to do it the way you did.

PS Hope you enjoyed the trip, Iguacu is much more impressive than Niagara.

[1] At the time straightforward return tickets weren't particularly
cheap either.

--
Graeme Wall
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"Graham Harrison" wrote in message
...


A bit of flexibility and thinking a little out of the box can
sometimes bear fruit.


One possibility may be to fly via Dublin or Shannon. You can pre-clear US
immigration and customs (you arrive in the USA as a domestic flight) and,
with a bit of creative ticketing, you can save a small fortune on UK
departure tax.

--
DAS

In message , at 18:58:17 on
Sun, 2 Apr 2017, Graham Harrison
remarked:
It could even be cheaper. When I was booking London/San Francisco
return last year a chance remark had me look at Manchester/London/San
Francisco. That was cheaper even though I was using the same flights
LON/SFO/LON. Aren't market forces wonderful?!

That's because you were in fact paying the "right" price, and people
paying more were mainly doing so for the perceived benefit of both a
direct flight and easier access (for them) because it's Heathrow.

Market forces do play a small part in that the airline would prefer to
sell the lucrative trans-atlantic leg to a passenger they subsidise on
the domestic leg, rather than have them fly from Manchester direct to
the USA on different airline, leaving them an empty seat.

There's also a certain amount of "no-one got fired buying a direct
ticket on a well known airline from Heathrow" effect.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:22:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:14:10 on Sun, 2 Apr 2017,
tim... remarked:

The point about Uber's model is that they don't own them

but that doesn't mean that the driver does either - he could be
"borrowing"
it

(FTAOD - I'm not making some pedantic point about Lease-Hire)

The driver can't just turn up in a random borrowed vehicle. Uber must
approve, and knows exactly what car he drives. It presumably does some
checks on its ownership, suitability, whether it's licensed and
insured for
private hire, etc.

https://www.uber.com/en-GB/drive/lon...-requirements/

The main complaint is that they don't (do much checking). And
reportedly the problem with insurance is they don't track cancellations

I'm not even sure there's a mechanism for that even if they wanted to

They could do spot checks on the drivers, say once a month on average
for each, and blacklist the ones without insurance.

Presuming lack of access to insurers' databases then that depends on
production of paperwork for policies which could have been since
cancelled.

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