Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

On Wed, 31 May 2017 11:10:10 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S...pying_platform
s_21_and_22,_Waterloo_station_in_2015.jpg

Do you not realise that the approach to those platforms was a single track
from and to the Linford St flyover?

Thats south of vauxhall, it has no bearing on the approach to waterloo and it
doesn't take 10 years to fit some points between there and waterloo and in fact
if you look on google maps you'll see plenty connecting the eurostar lines to
the rest of the network.

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Spud

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 12:46:15 UTC+1, wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2017 04:39:38 -0500
wrote:
You also seem blissfully unaware of the approach track to Waterloo which is
where a lot of the work is needed to allow former International platforms
designed for infrequent arrivals and departures to be used for a frequent
suburban service. You do yourself no favours overlooking such factors.

It didn't take 10 years to build it in the first place so don't tell me its
taken 10 years to figure out how to rejig the track. The only reason its been
sitting idle so long is utter incompetance at Network Rail. And as this photo
proves they could have run trains into it ages ago if they'd wanted to without
having to rebuild the thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S...ng_platforms_2
1_and_22,_Waterloo_station_in_2015.jpg

You seem to think that Network Rail had independence to just splash £700m on reopening Waterloo. It didn't. The responsibility for the delay sits with the DfT who sat on their hands for years and did nothing about expanding capacity into Waterloo. It was only the NR / SET alliance that started to push things along in terms of new and longer trains and the associated infrastructure. If the Government don't put requirements in the HLOS / SOFA process then they don't get done. Government have sat back and left the South Western franchise to toddle along for many years despite the fact that there has been very strong growth in demand including heavy weekend loadings and contra peak commuter flows (e.g out towards Brentford and Kew in the AM peak due to the media businesses located there) growing.

The government then killed off the alliance by pulling NR back under DfT direct funding control. They then failed to secure a franchise extension with SWT (suspect both parties were rather awkward to be fair) so the franchise has had to be retendered. Bizarrely the handover occurs slap bang in the middle of the Waterloo blockade this August.

I have also read somewhere else that the flyover near Stewarts Lane that Eurostar used to reach the South Eastern line was funded with EU money. If the tracks to that viaduct are disconnected before a certain point in time then the funding has to be returned to the EU. That may also be a factor in the delay on this scheme. Note this last sentence is speculation on my part before people start frothing at the mouth and blaming Brussels.

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Paul C
via Google

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

In article , d () wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2017 11:10:10 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S...pying_platform
s_21_and_22,_Waterloo_station_in_2015.jpg

Do you not realise that the approach to those platforms was a single
track from and to the Linford St flyover?

Thats south of vauxhall, it has no bearing on the approach to
waterloo and it doesn't take 10 years to fit some points between
there and waterloo and in fact
if you look on google maps you'll see plenty connecting the eurostar
lines to the rest of the network.

Yes, the single line runs through platform 1 at Vauxhall.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote:
You seem to think that Network Rail had independence to just splash =C2=A37=
00m on reopening Waterloo. It didn't. The responsibility for the delay si=

The points to NR exist, the platforms were perfectly servicable until they
started to demolish part them (for whatever reason, another excuse to waste
more taxpayers money) and train information boards were already fitted so apart
from putting in some standard ticket gates what exactly needed to be done to
"reopen" these platforms and use them? Answer - absolutely **** all. It was
just incompetance and indifference all round.

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Spud

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote:
You seem to think that Network Rail had independence to just splash =C2=A37=
00m on reopening Waterloo. It didn't. The responsibility for the delay si=

The points to NR exist, the platforms were perfectly servicable until they
started to demolish part them (for whatever reason, another excuse to waste
more taxpayers money) and train information boards were already fitted so apart
from putting in some standard ticket gates what exactly needed to be done to
"reopen" these platforms and use them? Answer - absolutely **** all. It was
just incompetance and indifference all round.

As usual, your ignorance is causing you to grossly oversimplify things.

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:11:16 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote:
You seem to think that Network Rail had independence to just splash =C2=A37=
00m on reopening Waterloo. It didn't. The responsibility for the delay si=

The points to NR exist, the platforms were perfectly servicable until they
started to demolish part them (for whatever reason, another excuse to waste
more taxpayers money) and train information boards were already fitted so
apart
from putting in some standard ticket gates what exactly needed to be done to
"reopen" these platforms and use them? Answer - absolutely **** all. It was
just incompetance and indifference all round.

As usual, your ignorance is causing you to grossly oversimplify things.

The infrastructure was in in place. Anything else is down to people.

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Spud

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:11:16 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote:
You seem to think that Network Rail had independence to just splash =C2=A37=
00m on reopening Waterloo. It didn't. The responsibility for the delay si=

The points to NR exist, the platforms were perfectly servicable until they
started to demolish part them (for whatever reason, another excuse to waste
more taxpayers money) and train information boards were already fitted so
apart
from putting in some standard ticket gates what exactly needed to be done to
"reopen" these platforms and use them? Answer - absolutely **** all. It was
just incompetance and indifference all round.

As usual, your ignorance is causing you to grossly oversimplify things.

The infrastructure was in in place. Anything else is down to people.

No it wasn't. Take a look at what they're having to do in Waterloo:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57673819851723

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 19:21:16 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:11:16 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote:
You seem to think that Network Rail had independence to just splash
=C2=A37=
00m on reopening Waterloo. It didn't. The responsibility for the delay
si=

The points to NR exist, the platforms were perfectly servicable until they
started to demolish part them (for whatever reason, another excuse to waste
more taxpayers money) and train information boards were already fitted so
apart
from putting in some standard ticket gates what exactly needed to be done
to
"reopen" these platforms and use them? Answer - absolutely **** all. It
was
just incompetance and indifference all round.

As usual, your ignorance is causing you to grossly oversimplify things.

The infrastructure was in in place. Anything else is down to people.

No it wasn't. Take a look at what they're having to do in Waterloo:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57673819851723

Yes I know they're doing all that, I work nearby. However given local
services have run from those platforms on rare occasions these works are
clearly a long way from being essential. As I said, the infrastructure was
there and the delay was down to people in charge being dicks.

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Spud

Crossrail 2 hits the buffers
 

In message , at 13:33:11 on Fri, 2 Jun
2017, d remarked:

As I said, the infrastructure was there and the delay was down to
people in charge being dicks.

Not bobs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU-tuY0Z7nQ
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Roland Perry