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Basil Jet[_4_] June 8th 17 12:02 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

Graeme Wall June 8th 17 06:58 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937


In the diary.

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[email protected] June 8th 17 08:21 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 01:02:06 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937


Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.

--
Spud


Roland Perry June 8th 17 09:27 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
In message , at 08:21:29 on Thu, 8 Jun
2017, d remarked:

Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.


Moving freight between places which are no longer suitable railheads ?
--
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[email protected] June 8th 17 10:04 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:27:45 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:21:29 on Thu, 8 Jun
2017, d remarked:

Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.


Moving freight between places which are no longer suitable railheads ?


I was thinking more in-city style deliveries. It must take a van about an hour
to cross central london during the day.

--
Spud


Offramp June 8th 17 11:57 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:02:08 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937


Now that it is up and running again I think it should be renamed the Queen Elizabeth Post Office Railway.

tim... June 8th 17 12:18 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937


In the diary.


you really have to go on the first day

tim




Roland Perry June 8th 17 12:42 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
In message , at 10:04:18 on Thu, 8 Jun
2017, d remarked:
Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.


Moving freight between places which are no longer suitable railheads ?


I was thinking more in-city style deliveries. It must take a van about an hour
to cross central london during the day.


Are you proposing to open dozens of new stations?
--
Roland Perry

Robin[_4_] June 8th 17 01:08 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On 08/06/2017 12:57, Off ramp wrote:
On Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:02:08 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937


Now that it is up and running again I think it should be renamed the Queen Elizabeth Post Office Railway.


It'd be a bit late but I think The George V Line would be more appropriate.

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[email protected] June 8th 17 03:42 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On 08.06.17 13:18, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937


In the diary.


you really have to go on the first day

tim



I'll likely visit sometime in the autumn.

Has anybody here ever ridden the line in its entirety? It doesn't have
any sort of wayside signalling, does it?



Recliner[_3_] June 8th 17 03:55 PM

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wrote:
On 08.06.17 13:18, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.


you really have to go on the first day

tim



I'll likely visit sometime in the autumn.

Has anybody here ever ridden the line in its entirety? It doesn't have
any sort of wayside signalling, does it?


Given that the original trains were unmanned, what would be the point of
wayside signalling? The trains were stopped and started by turning the
power off and on on the section of track they were travelling on.


[email protected] June 8th 17 05:25 PM

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On 08.06.17 16:55, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 08.06.17 13:18, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

tim



I'll likely visit sometime in the autumn.

Has anybody here ever ridden the line in its entirety? It doesn't have
any sort of wayside signalling, does it?


Given that the original trains were unmanned, what would be the point of
wayside signalling?


There were some manned, battery-powered trains, however. If there was a
curve in the line that would obscure the line of sight and another train
were stopped beyond the curve?

Also worth noting that the trains could obtain speeds upwards of 35 miles.

The trains were stopped and started by turning the
power off and on on the section of track they were travelling on.


Did power supply from the track feed into a relay for the trains' brakes?

What would happen if another, unmanned train were on the track ahead?

Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?


Scott June 8th 17 06:15 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937


In the diary.


you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)

Certes June 8th 17 06:18 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On 08/06/17 18:25, wrote:
Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?


BBC: "Two new trains, based on the originals, will carry up to 32
passengers on a 0.6 mile (1km) section of the line."

Basil Jet[_4_] June 8th 17 06:35 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On 2017\06\08 18:25, wrote:

Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?


No, there are not enough emergency exit to allow anything beyond a very
short section.

tim... June 8th 17 06:36 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.


you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)


but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you can
remember a more approximate date (August for example) without diarising it

tim




Graeme Wall June 8th 17 07:21 PM

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On 08/06/2017 19:15, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.


you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)


I'm not going but my diary is :-)

--
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Scott June 8th 17 07:21 PM

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On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:36:31 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Scott" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)


but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you can
remember a more approximate date (August for example) without diarising it

Personally, no. If I want to do something I find it best to get it
into the diary (a) to stop me arranging something else on the same day
by mistake and (b) as an incentive to make it happen. I sometimes
put TV programmes in the diary to make sure I don't forget to watch or
record.

Graeme Wall June 8th 17 07:22 PM

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On 08/06/2017 19:36, tim... wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)


but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you
can remember a more approximate date (August for example) without
diarising it


I'm now puzzled Tim, did you mean I ought to go on the first day or why
do I have to go on the first day?


--
Graeme Wall
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Recliner[_3_] June 8th 17 07:36 PM

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wrote:
On 08.06.17 16:55, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 08.06.17 13:18, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

tim



I'll likely visit sometime in the autumn.

Has anybody here ever ridden the line in its entirety? It doesn't have
any sort of wayside signalling, does it?


Given that the original trains were unmanned, what would be the point of
wayside signalling?


There were some manned, battery-powered trains, however. If there was a
curve in the line that would obscure the line of sight and another train
were stopped beyond the curve?


I'm assuming the battery locos only ran when the automatic trains were not
running (ie, when track power was off).


Also worth noting that the trains could obtain speeds upwards of 35 miles.

The trains were stopped and started by turning the
power off and on on the section of track they were travelling on.


Did power supply from the track feed into a relay for the trains' brakes?


Not quite.

Quote:
The trains brakes are held off by electromagnets whilst its receiving power
and on the move, but when it hits a dead section of track the train brakes
are automatically applied and held on by large springs.

When the Railway was first opened, it was controlled from control panels
located in the inter-platform tunnels at the stations. These panels allowed
trains to be shunted in the station, or routed straight on to the next
station. The switch panels were mechanically and electrically interlocked.
Outside each station is a short dead section which brings each train to a
halt. If they can be admitted, the line controller could operate a
receiving lever controlling a camshaft motor which closes three relays
progressively bringing into use three different voltages to control the
trains rate of approach. The first relay energizes the dead section at
normal line voltage, 440 volts and sets the train going, the second relay
reduces the voltage to 206 volts, so slowing up the train without the use
of brakes (remember the 1 in 20 gradient) and the third relay reduces the
voltage to 150 volts which brings the train into the station at 8 miles an
hour. On entering the station, the train rides into a dead section and the
brakes are automatically applied.

1993 saw the installation of a £750,000 computer to take over control of
the system from one central point. The Vaughan computer directly interfaced
with the existing control system. The computer system was bought into
operation section by section, this allowed the system to carry on operating
as normal during the installation. Each station had its own computer,
interfaced to the existing relay system.

The computer could control the progress of each train on the system
automatically, if needed the line controller could take control of any part
of the system, and reroute trains as needed.

http://www.mailrail.co.uk/operation.html


What would happen if another, unmanned train were on the track ahead?


The battery loco presumably wouldn't have been running on track sections
occupied by service trains.


Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?


No, nothing like that. It's just a short demo loop.

Recliner[_3_] June 8th 17 09:13 PM

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tim... wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:36:31 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)

but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you
can
remember a more approximate date (August for example) without diarising it

Personally, no. If I want to do something I find it best to get it
into the diary (a) to stop me arranging something else on the same day
by mistake and (b) as an incentive to make it happen. I sometimes
put TV programmes in the diary to make sure I don't forget to watch or
record.


but "catch up" excepted (which doesn't always work) you may only get one
chance to watch/record a TV program

once this museum is open, there are hundreds of future occasion that you can
visit


Yes, I would deliberately avoid the first day. I'd rather go when any early
glitches have been sorted, and it's less crowded.


tim... June 8th 17 09:13 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:36:31 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Scott" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)


but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you
can
remember a more approximate date (August for example) without diarising it

Personally, no. If I want to do something I find it best to get it
into the diary (a) to stop me arranging something else on the same day
by mistake and (b) as an incentive to make it happen. I sometimes
put TV programmes in the diary to make sure I don't forget to watch or
record.


but "catch up" excepted (which doesn't always work) you may only get one
chance to watch/record a TV program

once this museum is open, there are hundreds of future occasion that you can
visit

tim




tim... June 8th 17 09:14 PM

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 19:36, tim... wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)


but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you
can remember a more approximate date (August for example) without
diarising it


I'm now puzzled Tim, did you mean I ought to go on the first day or why do
I have to go on the first day?


why are you recording the first day it is opening, if you don't intend on
visiting it ASAP

tim





Charles Ellson[_2_] June 8th 17 09:42 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 18:25:44 +0100, "
wrote:

On 08.06.17 16:55, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 08.06.17 13:18, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

tim



I'll likely visit sometime in the autumn.

Has anybody here ever ridden the line in its entirety? It doesn't have
any sort of wayside signalling, does it?


Given that the original trains were unmanned, what would be the point of
wayside signalling?


There were some manned, battery-powered trains, however. If there was a
curve in the line that would obscure the line of sight and another train
were stopped beyond the curve?

It shouldn't be there, the battery locos were used during overnight
closed periods or to tug failed trains with the power off.

Also worth noting that the trains could obtain speeds upwards of 35 miles.

The trains were stopped and started by turning the
power off and on on the section of track they were travelling on.


Did power supply from the track feed into a relay for the trains' brakes?

Ov - brakes on/normal (spring brakes), 150v (in station area) 15mph,
206v (approaching station), 440v 40 mph.
[http://www.mailrail.co.uk/operation.html]

What would happen if another, unmanned train were on the track ahead?

You should have a dead section behind it.

Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?


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Charles Ellson[_2_] June 8th 17 09:45 PM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:42:36 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:04:18 on Thu, 8 Jun
2017, d remarked:
Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.

The sorting offices have long been dispersed away from Central London
and well away from the PO railway.

Moving freight between places which are no longer suitable railheads ?


I was thinking more in-city style deliveries. It must take a van about an hour
to cross central london during the day.


Are you proposing to open dozens of new stations?


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Recliner[_3_] June 8th 17 10:10 PM

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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:42:36 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:04:18 on Thu, 8 Jun
2017, d remarked:
Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.

The sorting offices have long been dispersed away from Central London
and well away from the PO railway.


Yes, it clearly had no remaining use for the Royal Mail.

Cargo also seems unlikely. At best, it could be used for data or power
cables.

[email protected] June 9th 17 12:09 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On 08.06.17 20:36, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 08.06.17 16:55, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 08.06.17 13:18, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

tim



I'll likely visit sometime in the autumn.

Has anybody here ever ridden the line in its entirety? It doesn't have
any sort of wayside signalling, does it?

Given that the original trains were unmanned, what would be the point of
wayside signalling?


There were some manned, battery-powered trains, however. If there was a
curve in the line that would obscure the line of sight and another train
were stopped beyond the curve?


I'm assuming the battery locos only ran when the automatic trains were not
running (ie, when track power was off).


Also worth noting that the trains could obtain speeds upwards of 35 miles.

The trains were stopped and started by turning the
power off and on on the section of track they were travelling on.


Did power supply from the track feed into a relay for the trains' brakes?


Not quite.

Quote:
The trains brakes are held off by electromagnets whilst its receiving power
and on the move, but when it hits a dead section of track the train brakes
are automatically applied and held on by large springs.


That's what I actually meant.


What would happen if another, unmanned train were on the track ahead?


The battery loco presumably wouldn't have been running on track sections
occupied by service trains.


Got it.

No, nothing like that. It's just a short demo loop.


What then are the plans for the remaining sections? AIUI, they have
maintained them.


Charles Ellson[_2_] June 9th 17 06:11 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 22:10:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:42:36 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:04:18 on Thu, 8 Jun
2017, d remarked:
Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.

The sorting offices have long been dispersed away from Central London
and well away from the PO railway.


Yes, it clearly had no remaining use for the Royal Mail.

Cargo also seems unlikely. At best, it could be used for data or power
cables.

Again, possibly too remote from the supply end for power cables.
For comms, maybe only usable if the two ends are conveniently close to
the existing stations but fibre-optic cables only need a reserved
space on the cable bearers rather than the entire tunnel as would
necessarily be the case with HV cables. BT already has a more
extensive tunnel system.

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Graeme Wall June 9th 17 07:41 AM

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On 08/06/2017 22:14, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 19:36, tim... wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)

but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future,
you can remember a more approximate date (August for example) without
diarising it


I'm now puzzled Tim, did you mean I ought to go on the first day or
why do I have to go on the first day?


why are you recording the first day it is opening, if you don't intend
on visiting it ASAP


I could be making a note to avoid it that day as it will be crowded.

--
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tim... June 9th 17 08:14 AM

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 22:14, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 19:36, tim... wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)

but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you
can remember a more approximate date (August for example) without
diarising it


I'm now puzzled Tim, did you mean I ought to go on the first day or why
do I have to go on the first day?


why are you recording the first day it is opening, if you don't intend on
visiting it ASAP


I could be making a note to avoid it that day as it will be crowded.


but if you didn't note it at all you wont know that it was open




BevanPrice June 9th 17 08:30 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
On 08/06/2017 19:18, Certes wrote:
On 08/06/17 18:25, wrote:
Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?


BBC: "Two new trains, based on the originals, will carry up to 32
passengers on a 0.6 mile (1km) section of the line."


At £16 per 0.6m, it is even more expensive (per mile) than Heathrow Express.




Roland Perry June 9th 17 08:35 AM

Post Office Railway open from 28th July
 
In message , at 09:30:19 on Fri, 9 Jun 2017,
BevanPrice remarked:

Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?

BBC: "Two new trains, based on the originals, will carry up to 32
passengers on a 0.6 mile (1km) section of the line."


At £16 per 0.6m, it is even more expensive (per mile) than Heathrow Express.


So is the Snowdon Mountain Railway (at about £5/mile).
--
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Graeme Wall June 9th 17 09:02 AM

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On 09/06/2017 09:14, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 08/06/2017 22:14, tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 19:36, tim... wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)

but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future,
you can remember a more approximate date (August for example)
without diarising it


I'm now puzzled Tim, did you mean I ought to go on the first day or
why do I have to go on the first day?

why are you recording the first day it is opening, if you don't
intend on visiting it ASAP


I could be making a note to avoid it that day as it will be crowded.


but if you didn't note it at all you wont know that it was open




Again I could just be using a figure of speech to note that I was aware
it would be open from date so could visit it after that time if I so
wished.

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Scott June 9th 17 11:36 AM

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On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 22:13:52 +0100, "tim..."
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"Scott" wrote in message
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"Scott" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:18:02 +0100, "tim..."
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 08/06/2017 01:02, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40189937

In the diary.

you really have to go on the first day

He may not have put it in the diary for the first day :-)

but surely if the intention is to visit at some time in the future, you
can
remember a more approximate date (August for example) without diarising it

Personally, no. If I want to do something I find it best to get it
into the diary (a) to stop me arranging something else on the same day
by mistake and (b) as an incentive to make it happen. I sometimes
put TV programmes in the diary to make sure I don't forget to watch or
record.


but "catch up" excepted (which doesn't always work) you may only get one
chance to watch/record a TV program

once this museum is open, there are hundreds of future occasion that you can
visit

I attach a mystical quality to my diary. If it's in the diary this
makes if far more likely to happen.

I accept we all operate differently.

David Cantrell June 12th 17 12:23 PM

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On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 09:35:09AM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
BevanPrice remarked:
At ?16 per 0.6m, it is even more expensive (per mile) than Heathrow Express.

So is the Snowdon Mountain Railway (at about ?5/mile).


So is Thornton Heath to Selhurst.

Outrageous!

--
David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

It's my experience that neither users nor customers can articulate
what it is they want, nor can they evaluate it when they see it
-- Alan Cooper

Basil Jet[_4_] June 13th 17 04:35 PM

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On 2017\06\13 17:03, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:56:45 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, 8 June 2017 22:45:35 UTC+1, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:42:36 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:04:18 on Thu, 8 Jun
2017,
d remarked:
Its a shame that what is in effect a national asset has gone to waste. Given
the traffic situation in London there must be some business case for it.

The sorting offices have long been dispersed away from Central London
and well away from the PO railway.


I'm pretty sure, if memory serves me rightly, that the thing that ended the viability of the PO railway was the opening of the major postal distribution hub at Willesden. Some people did suggest extending the POR there, but that was pretty much a non-starter - can you imagine the cost?


No imagination this country , what would be wrong with a bit of mixed
gauge out of Euston.


Since rail ferries carry trains on boats, and Le Shuttle carries cars on
trains, why not have a train-train which carries the PO railway wagons
on mainline gauge flat wagons with narrow gauge rails laid on top of
them? There should be enough paths on the DC lines for them. The only
problem (yes, I did say *only* problem) would be that the mainline
railway runs in the day and is maintained at night whereas the PO
railway ran at night and was maintained in the morning IIRC.

Arthur Figgis June 13th 17 05:12 PM

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On 13/06/2017 17:35, Basil Jet wrote:


Since rail ferries carry trains on boats, and Le Shuttle carries cars on
trains, why not have a train-train which carries the PO railway wagons
on mainline gauge flat wagons with narrow gauge rails laid on top of
them?



https://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/14875380020

(Glasgow subway gauge)


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Basil Jet[_4_] June 13th 17 05:31 PM

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On 2017\06\13 18:12, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 13/06/2017 17:35, Basil Jet wrote:


Since rail ferries carry trains on boats, and Le Shuttle carries cars on
trains, why not have a train-train which carries the PO railway wagons
on mainline gauge flat wagons with narrow gauge rails laid on top of
them?



https://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/14875380020

(Glasgow subway gauge)


Great stuff... I thought you meant the carried trains were Subway gauge,
but no, the carrying train is Subway gauge!

Graeme Wall June 13th 17 07:20 PM

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On 13/06/2017 18:12, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 13/06/2017 17:35, Basil Jet wrote:


Since rail ferries carry trains on boats, and Le Shuttle carries cars on
trains, why not have a train-train which carries the PO railway wagons
on mainline gauge flat wagons with narrow gauge rails laid on top of
them?



https://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/14875380020

(Glasgow subway gauge)



My Goodness, even narrow gauge locos on broad gauge wagons, 5th photo down:

http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/22/Guinness.htm


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.


Anna Noyd-Dryver June 22nd 17 01:21 PM

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wrote:
On 08.06.17 16:55, Recliner wrote:
wrote:


Has anybody here ever ridden the line in its entirety? It doesn't have
any sort of wayside signalling, does it?


Given that the original trains were unmanned, what would be the point of
wayside signalling?


There were some manned, battery-powered trains, however.


Where 'some' = 'one', IIRC.

If there was a
curve in the line that would obscure the line of sight and another train
were stopped beyond the curve?


Presumably the manually driven trains were only allowed out when control
measures were in place to stop automatic trains from running.

Also worth noting that the trains could obtain speeds upwards of 35 miles.

The trains were stopped and started by turning the
power off and on on the section of track they were travelling on.


Did power supply from the track feed into a relay for the trains' brakes?


Yes. AIUI there were three voltages that could be applied, for full speed,
medium and low speed. Zero voltage applied the brakes.

What would happen if another, unmanned train were on the track ahead?


I don't know but I'd imagine some measure was in place to prevent
collisions. Perhaps the presence of a train in one section rendered the
previous section dead?

Will the tentative journeys on offer run from Whitechapel all the way
out to Paddington via Mt. Pleasant, BTW?


No, AIUI it's just from the depot to Mount Pleasant station and back.


Anna Noyd-Dryver





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