Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem to
be out of the loop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 23/06/2017 12:29, Basil Jet wrote:

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem to
be out of the loop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

Maybe it was all over the Cambridge newsgroups?

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:29:42 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem to
be out of the loop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

I'd love to know what blind ******* designed the ugly front end. It looks
like a disfigured duck.

--
Spud

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

In message , at 13:14:35 on Fri, 23 Jun
2017, Someone Somewhere remarked:

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem
to be out of the loop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

Maybe it was all over the Cambridge newsgroups?

No, but I did see something a couple of days ago online announcing this
"first service".
--
Roland Perry

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Basil Jet wrote:

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem to
be out of the loop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

I see that, as expected, the seats are described as harder than in the old
trains they're replacing, and they seem to be mainly longitudinal, as with
other TfL trains; the early pictures of the interior usually featured the
few transverse seats. At least the aircon works.

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 2017\06\23 14:00, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:14:35 on Fri, 23 Jun
2017, Someone Somewhere remarked:

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem
to be out of the loop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

Maybe it was all over the Cambridge newsgroups?

No, but I did see something a couple of days ago online announcing this
"first service".

I suppose you were too busy using news:uk.transport.london to discuss
Ely minicab licensing to forward the information there?

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 23.06.17 12:29, Basil Jet wrote:

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem to
be out of the loop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

Can we thus assume that Phase I of Crossrail service has started, with
the first 345 wheels turning in anger?

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

wrote:
On 23.06.17 12:29, Basil Jet wrote:

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem to
be out of the loop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

Can we thus assume that Phase I of Crossrail service has started, with
the first 345 wheels turning in anger?

Well, sort of. They're not using the Elizabeth line branding yet, as the
current route is no different to what it was before the new trains were
introduced, though there's been lots of trackwork. You could have done
exactly the same trip long ago.

And, this isn't even the first Crossrail track to be used: the Stockley
Flyover has that claim to fame.
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/major-milestone-reached-in-the-construction-of-stockley-flyover

So Heathrow Connect's use of the Stockley Flyover from the end of 2014
could be said to be the first phase of Crossrail to have been brought into
use.

And the 345s aren't even phase 2; the Acton diveunder probably gets that
award:
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/201...on-dive-under/

So this latest development might be best described as the third phase of
Crossrail to come into use (unless I've missed out any others!).

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 19:54:35 on Fri, 23 Jun 2017, Recliner
remarked:
Can we thus assume that Phase I of Crossrail service has started, with
the first 345 wheels turning in anger?

Well, sort of. They're not using the Elizabeth line branding yet, as the
current route is no different to what it was before the new trains were
introduced, though there's been lots of trackwork. You could have done
exactly the same trip long ago.

And, this isn't even the first Crossrail track to be used: the Stockley
Flyover has that claim to fame.
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/major-milestone-reached-in-the-construction-of-stockley-flyover

So Heathrow Connect's use of the Stockley Flyover from the end of 2014
could be said to be the first phase of Crossrail to have been brought into
use.

And the 345s aren't even phase 2; the Acton diveunder probably gets that
award:
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/201...on-dive-under/

So this latest development might be best described as the third phase of
Crossrail to come into use (unless I've missed out any others!).

They've been doing trackwork south of Shenfield station, and it's
possible that some new movements, which that permits, are in service.
But I've not been on site.
--
Roland Perry

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 2017\06\23 13:34, d wrote:

I'd love to know what blind ******* designed the ugly front end. It looks
like a disfigured duck.

Now you mention it...

Class 345...
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1nrN9gwvyL.jpg

Orville The Duck...
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg

Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if anything?

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 24/06/2017 15:23, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg


Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if
anything?

So they can clean the windscreen?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Basil Jet wrote on 24 Jun 2017 at 15:23 ...
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg

Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if anything?

The line has to be visible by anyone standing at rail level. If the top of the curve at the front of the train is the highest safe level, and if that level was continued round to the side, it would be on the roof and probably not visible from rail level, hence the lower level at the sides. Some other stocks have an upward curve at the front, e.g. class 700, 158, 159.

Railway Group Standard GM/RT2111, Appendix D https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/standards...%20Iss%201.pdf
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 23.06.17 20:54, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 23.06.17 12:29, Basil Jet wrote:

Apparently loads of enthusiasts knew in advance... us Usenauts seem to
be out of the loop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSts1YN3MPc

Can we thus assume that Phase I of Crossrail service has started, with
the first 345 wheels turning in anger?

Well, sort of. They're not using the Elizabeth line branding yet, as the
current route is no different to what it was before the new trains were
introduced, though there's been lots of trackwork. You could have done
exactly the same trip long ago.

And, this isn't even the first Crossrail track to be used: the Stockley
Flyover has that claim to fame.
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/major-milestone-reached-in-the-construction-of-stockley-flyover

So Heathrow Connect's use of the Stockley Flyover from the end of 2014
could be said to be the first phase of Crossrail to have been brought into
use.

And the 345s aren't even phase 2; the Acton diveunder probably gets that
award:
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/201...on-dive-under/

So this latest development might be best described as the third phase of
Crossrail to come into use (unless I've missed out any others!).

When does the 345 run?

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 24.06.17 15:23, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg


Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if
anything?
Rain deflectors?

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 19:54:35 on Fri, 23 Jun 2017, Recliner
remarked:
Can we thus assume that Phase I of Crossrail service has started, with
the first 345 wheels turning in anger?

Well, sort of. They're not using the Elizabeth line branding yet, as the
current route is no different to what it was before the new trains were
introduced, though there's been lots of trackwork. You could have done
exactly the same trip long ago.

And, this isn't even the first Crossrail track to be used: the Stockley
Flyover has that claim to fame.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/arti...hed-in-the-con
struction-of-stockley-flyover

So Heathrow Connect's use of the Stockley Flyover from the end of 2014
could be said to be the first phase of Crossrail to have been brought
into use.

And the 345s aren't even phase 2; the Acton diveunder probably gets that
award:

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/201...ls-critical-ac
ton-dive-under/

So this latest development might be best described as the third phase of
Crossrail to come into use (unless I've missed out any others!).

They've been doing trackwork south of Shenfield station, and it's
possible that some new movements, which that permits, are in service.
But I've not been on site.

I saw a report that the Shenfield track work had been completed recently.
There's also been track work elsewhere on the Liverpool St electric lines
and OHL renewals. What I saw at Ilford looked well overdue, with catenary
that looked to date back to 1949.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

On 24/06/17 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\23 13:34, d wrote:

I'd love to know what blind ******* designed the ugly front end. It looks
like a disfigured duck.

Now you mention it...

Class 345...
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1nrN9gwvyL.jpg

Orville The Duck...
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg

I see the resemblance. That's the nickname sorted out.

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg


Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if anything?

Isn't it just decorative?

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Recliner wrote on 24 Jun 2017 at 23:18 ...
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg


Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if anything?

Isn't it just decorative?

No, it's a warning line to indicate the upper limit of safe working under a live overhead wire. You see them on any train that operates under the wires. See the link I provided earlier.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

Recliner wrote on 24 Jun 2017 at 23:18
...
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...rain_arriving_
at_Ilford_depot.jpg


Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if
anything?

Isn't it just decorative?

No, it's a warning line to indicate the upper limit of safe working
under a live overhead wire. You see them on any train that operates
under the wires. See the link I provided earlier.

As far as I can see, you see them on any train whether it operates under the
wires or not.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg


Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if anything?


It doesn't generally cross any glass though. It will usually follow the
edge of windscreens. The Class 37 is possibly the most ridiculous example.
https://goo.gl/images/pNKdMz


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/06/2017 15:23, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\06\24 15:20, Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...ford_depot.jpg



Why does the orange line on the front curve upward? If it's supposed to
represent a safe distance from zap, shouldn't it curve downward if
anything?

So they can clean the windscreen?


Wipers ;)


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Class 345 in service (Crossrail Elizabeth Line)
 

Harder seats, fewer seats per carriage, mostly longitudinal seating, lots of straps for hanging on while crammed in standing like cattle, no toilets. I will not enjoy riding these much.
Looks like a variation of a London Overground train.

Only plus point the windows are larger than the Overground.

John