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On Tuesday, 18 July 2017 23:36:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Monday, 17 July 2017 17:11:49 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

A policy that is flouted on a daily basis across all modes. I have never
seen anyone even attempt to enforce the rule. A ridiculous tokenistic "oh
look I've done something" policy from the early days of Bozza's tenure at City Hall.

I've not seen anyone enforce it, but I've also never seen anyone flout it,
either — a real surprise. Perhaps I don't travel in the right areas and
times?

I've seen building workers swilling lager on the way to work at 0700 in the morning and on the way home. One got on my local bus route about 1630 the other day with an open beer can. Catch a tube into town at around 7 or 8 pm on a Friday or Saturday - people openly swigging gin, vodka, whatever from bottles or filling their "water" bottles with such spirits. Plenty of booze drunk on night buses. I've not used the night tube yet but I can't believe that is immune from people drinking alcohol.

People are going to drink if they want to given the lack of enforcement and no obvious sanction or penalty.
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Paul C
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:41:15 +0100, Recliner
wrote:

I think that it's much easier to enforce a simple blanket rule than a
more complex, nuanced rule that varies with time, circumstance and
location. It was the same with the smoking ban: rather than just ban
it underground, it was banned throughout the TfL estate, so you didn't
get arguments about whether no smoking signs were visible or whether
Earl's Court District line platforms were underground or not.

So, yes, the real desire was to ban drinking from, say, city centre
trains and buses after 21:00, but it's easier and much simpler to just
ban it everywhere, at all times.

As far as I'm concerned it was Johnson's attempt to 'do something' in
transport, it was very early on in his first term. I didn't see the
need then, compared with general litter, feet on seats, window etching
(now almost absent) and I don't see it now, but then I don't often use
anything beginning with 'N'.

Richard.

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:48:35 +0100, BirchangerKen
wrote:
Roughly one death per month with over 40 000 000 km driven and 200 000
000 passengers. How does that compare with other modes? Other
operators?

I don't suppose all will agree but I find the standard of bus driving
in London to be excellent, given the traffic, general public, etc. The
customer facing stuff might be better compared with out of London
(Oxford, Brighton, most Stagecoach in my experience), but human nature
prevails - given what the drivers have to deal with every day - and
there are some people out there who manage to keep a smile for
everyone.

Richard.