On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 12:28:44 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 08:57:04 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017,
Basil Jet remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used. No doubt,
with your superior knowledge on the subject, you'll correct them and
him?

In message , at 12:51:17 on
Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:51:17 on
Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind? Offhand, I can't think of any examples. He was a poor justice
minister, but his bad policies weren't overturned during his period in
office. And he's been too ideological in the DfT, but I don't recall him
changing his mind at the drop of a hat. If anything, he's pig-headed.

Truncating the electrification project was an inevitable decision,
following NR's failure to deliver, and probably reflects the mandarins'
long term scepticism about electrification. Choosing the DfT-specified IEP
for the MML would also be in line with their policies for other main lines.
I doubt that Grayling knows much about rolling stock, other than on his
local line, so he's probably just accepting civil service advice. Why do
you think that would change?

In any case, I have a strong suspicion that the decision on bi-modes was
taken at the same time that they decided not to electrify beyond Kettering
and Corby. So it's very unlikely he'll change his mind in the next three
weeks. But why do you think he would?

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:11:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

In message , at 13:39:42 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

But the Brexit "weakness and instability" is kicking in fast, and this
whole thing is about money (throw enough and even NR will be able to
electrify to Sheffield). I'm not suggesting Grayling is particularly
prone to u-turns, but neither can he stave off external pressures
indefinitely.

Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment:

http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its-
dominance-over
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 14:46:06 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:39:42 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

But the Brexit "weakness and instability" is kicking in fast, and this
whole thing is about money (throw enough and even NR will be able to
electrify to Sheffield). I'm not suggesting Grayling is particularly
prone to u-turns, but neither can he stave off external pressures
indefinitely.

Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment:

http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its-
dominance-over

He still seems to be keen on some version of that idea in new
franchises, but it's probably too hard to retrofit it to old ones.
That desired higher level of TOC/NR integration was one of the reasons
he cited for not passing on more metro lines to TfL.

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:11:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

That depends on him. His interest in the railway extends to opening
Cambridge North station yesterday and then departing by car.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:11:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

That depends on him. His interest in the railway extends to opening
Cambridge North station yesterday and then departing by car.

Well, he's responsible for roads as well as trains…