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Waterloo pictures
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344 A few observations: - It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers around, but they didn't seem to be needed. - Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains have finished using it next month? - The international station is still very much a building site. Only part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary, fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath. - All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline, which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low level platforms gateline. - I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear later. - I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised. - A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline. He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose; nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking place towards the country ends. - As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the battered old building). |
Waterloo pictures
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344 A few observations: - It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers around, but they didn't seem to be needed. - Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains have finished using it next month? - The international station is still very much a building site. Only part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary, fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath. - All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline, which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low level platforms gateline. - I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear later. - I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised. - A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline. He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose; nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking place towards the country ends. - As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the battered old building). The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote: I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344 A few observations: - It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers around, but they didn't seem to be needed. - Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains have finished using it next month? - The international station is still very much a building site. Only part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary, fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath. - All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline, which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low level platforms gateline. - I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear later. - I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised. - A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline. He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose; nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking place towards the country ends. - As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the battered old building). The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height. Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to their exact original external dimensions. I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground (101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015. If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals. http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/ http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/ https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article |
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On 10/08/2017 16:26, Recliner wrote:
Tony Dragon wrote: On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote: I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344 A few observations: - It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers around, but they didn't seem to be needed. - Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains have finished using it next month? - The international station is still very much a building site. Only part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary, fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath. - All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline, which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low level platforms gateline. - I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear later. - I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised. - A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline. He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose; nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking place towards the country ends. - As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the battered old building). The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height. Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to their exact original external dimensions. I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground (101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015. If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals. http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/ http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/ https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article It appears that my information was wrong, my apologies. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner:
Tony Dragon wrote: On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote: - As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the battered old building). The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height. Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to their exact original external dimensions. I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground (101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015. If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals. http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/ http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/ https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-) https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg Rink |
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Rink wrote:
Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner: Tony Dragon wrote: On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote: - As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the battered old building). The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height. Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to their exact original external dimensions. I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground (101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015. If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals. http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/ http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/ https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-) https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg Actually, no, as the old power station will be closely surrounded by new blocks of flats, about as high as the main power station buildings. The only clear views of it will be from across the river. |
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:12:55 +0100, Recliner wrote: I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344 A few observations: - It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers around, but they didn't seem to be needed. The name used on the bottom of the poster that you have shown close up is interesting, The South Western Railway. Yes, I spotted that too. I suppose it's to cover the fact that it includes both the TOC and NR. But it's handy that it isn't linked to a specific TOC. Is that South West Trains having a final dig that they consider themselves to be the natural operator or has someone sensibly used a name that covers both them and the new incumbent. I assume the latter; of course, the new First MTR TOC name may well include the words, "South Western Railway"… presumably South West Trains won't pull the plug on their web site on the 20th and properly aren't allowed to do so by various agreements. Must be tempting just to put up a page that says "Tough , ask the new lot , we've gone. Yes, it must be hard for Stagecoach to work so hard on this project in its final few days in charge of the longest-running original franchise. |
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On 10/08/2017 21:18, Recliner wrote:
Rink wrote: Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner: Tony Dragon wrote: On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote: - As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the battered old building). The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height. Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to their exact original external dimensions. I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground (101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015. If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals. http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/ http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/ https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-) https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg Actually, no, as the old power station will be closely surrounded by new blocks of flats, about as high as the main power station buildings. The only clear views of it will be from across the river. Photoshop -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:12:55 +0100, Recliner wrote: I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344 A few observations: - It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers around, but they didn't seem to be needed. The name used on the bottom of the poster that you have shown close up is interesting, The South Western Railway. Is that South West Trains having a final dig that they consider themselves to be the natural operator or has someone sensibly used a name that covers both them and the new incumbent. presumably South West Trains won't pull the plug on their web site on the 20th and properly aren't allowed to do so by various agreements. Must be tempting just to put up a page that says "Tough , ask the new lot , we've gone. I came across this time-lapse video (it's worth selecting HD quality): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcxGE7...ature=youtu.be |
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I went on a reconnaissance trip to Waterloo this afternoon, and
made a point of travelling from the new/old part of the station. The first thing that caught my eye was platform 24. When I was a boy, there were only 21 platforms. There are steps from platforms 23 & 24 at least down to whatever is underneath. The service was erratic to say the least. One train in 23 was due to leave at 14.28 while the train in 24 was scheduled for five minutes later and did leave on time. The other train left 12 minutes late! I noticed with great surprise that a train for Exeter comprised 8 coaches. (3+5) I don't know if this was to reduce the number of departures during the work. The departure board declared that the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches would go forward. |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:20:54 +0100, Robin9
wrote: I went on a reconnaissance trip to Waterloo this afternoon, and made a point of travelling from the new/old part of the station. The first thing that caught my eye was platform 24. When I was a boy, there were only 21 platforms. Yes, the original 20 and 21 were absorbed into the international extension. There are steps from platforms 23 & 24 at least down to whatever is underneath. It used to the old Eurostar security/immigration/departure hall/car park, but will become retail space. The service was erratic to say the least. One train in 23 was due to leave at 14.28 while the train in 24 was scheduled for five minutes later and did leave on time. The other train left 12 minutes late! I noticed with great surprise that a train for Exeter comprised 8 coaches. (3+5). I think they're more commonly 3x3-car 159s. This train must have consisted of 2x3-car 159s+2-car 158. I don't know if this was to reduce the number of departures during the work. The departure board declared that the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches would go forward. Again, not unusual. |
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On 16/08/2017 17:20, Robin9 wrote:
I went on a reconnaissance trip to Waterloo this afternoon, and made a point of travelling from the new/old part of the station. The first thing that caught my eye was platform 24. When I was a boy, there were only 21 platforms. There are steps from platforms 23 & 24 at least down to whatever is underneath. The service was erratic to say the least. One train in 23 was due to leave at 14.28 while the train in 24 was scheduled for five minutes later and did leave on time. The other train left 12 minutes late! I noticed with great surprise that a train for Exeter comprised 8 coaches. (3+5) I don't know if this was to reduce the number of departures during the work. The departure board declared that the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches would go forward. Not 3+5, probably 3+3+2 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Wed, 16 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked: I don't know if this was to reduce the number of departures during the work. The departure board declared that the train would be divided at Salisbury and that only three coaches would go forward. Again, not unusual. Back in the day when I go that Eurostar connecting train from Warminster, the regular Sprinters often used to split/join at Salisbury (I went to Basingstoke a few times that routing). -- Roland Perry |
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