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I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.

- Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a
few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way
out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for
domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains
have finished using it next month?

- The international station is still very much a building site. Only
part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary,
fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath.

- All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline,
which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low
level platforms gateline.

- I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube
lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear
later.

- I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the
UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly
higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I
couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised.

- A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the
construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline.
He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose;
nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what
struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to
the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking
place towards the country ends.

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).

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On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.

- Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a
few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way
out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for
domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains
have finished using it next month?

- The international station is still very much a building site. Only
part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary,
fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath.

- All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline,
which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low
level platforms gateline.

- I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube
lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear
later.

- I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the
UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly
higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I
couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised.

- A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the
construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline.
He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose;
nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what
struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to
the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking
place towards the country ends.

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.


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Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.

- Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a
few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way
out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for
domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains
have finished using it next month?

- The international station is still very much a building site. Only
part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary,
fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath.

- All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline,
which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low
level platforms gateline.

- I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube
lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear
later.

- I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the
UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly
higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I
couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised.

- A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the
construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline.
He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose;
nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what
struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to
the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking
place towards the country ends.

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.


Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article
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On 10/08/2017 16:26, Recliner wrote:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:
I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.

- Many trains in the former international platforms are delayed by a
few minutes. Even if they leave on time, they get delayed on the way
out, presumably because the current track layout isn't optimised for
domestic trains. Maybe they'll change it after the Southeastern trains
have finished using it next month?

- The international station is still very much a building site. Only
part of the new concourse is open, and you get to it by a temporary,
fenced-in bridge. Work continues on the new retail area beneath.

- All of the platforms 20-24 are accessed through the same gateline,
which is in operation. It was reminiscent of the new London Bridge low
level platforms gateline.

- I saw no sign of a direct route from the new concourse to the Tube
lines below, but there's so much work yet to do, that it may appear
later.

- I got the impression that platform 20-24 are slightly lower than the
UK norm (such as it is). The step up to the train seemed slightly
higher than usual, though the curved platforms make it worse. I
couldn't see any sign that platforms had been raised.

- A jobsworth immediately stopped me taking pictures of the
construction work taking place beyond the closed platforms' gateline.
He seemed to have been placed there specifically for that purpose;
nobody stopped me taking pics in the station public areas. But what
struck me was the construction material trains are parked right up to
the buffers, even though I thought the platform rebuilding was taking
place towards the country ends.

- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.


Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article


It appears that my information was wrong, my apologies.


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Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:


- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.


Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article



So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg

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Rink wrote:
Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:


- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.


Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article



So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg


Actually, no, as the old power station will be closely surrounded by new
blocks of flats, about as high as the main power station buildings. The
only clear views of it will be from across the river.

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Thank you! Superb.
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:12:55 +0100, Recliner
wrote:

I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.


The name used on the bottom of the poster that you have shown close up
is interesting,
The South Western Railway.


Yes, I spotted that too. I suppose it's to cover the fact that it includes
both the TOC and NR. But it's handy that it isn't linked to a specific TOC.


Is that South West Trains having a final dig that they consider
themselves to be the natural operator or has someone sensibly used a
name that covers both them and the new incumbent.


I assume the latter; of course, the new First MTR TOC name may well include
the words, "South Western Railway"…

presumably South West Trains won't pull the plug on their web site on
the 20th and properly aren't allowed to do so by various agreements.

Must be tempting just to put up a page that says "Tough , ask the new
lot , we've gone.


Yes, it must be hard for Stagecoach to work so hard on this project in its
final few days in charge of the longest-running original franchise.


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On 10/08/2017 21:18, Recliner wrote:
Rink wrote:
Op 10-8-2017 om 17:26 schreef Recliner:
Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/08/2017 14:12, Recliner wrote:


- As an aside, I noticed that all four Battersea Power station
chimneys have been rebuilt, and look pristine (unlike the rest of the
battered old building).


The power station chimneys were being rebuilt but to a lower height.

Are you quite sure??? I think you might be confused by the way they
rebuilt the first tower, with the work paused for an inspection when the
chimney had reached half its height. Only when this was passed were the
other three chimneys allowed to be demolished. All have now been rebuilt to
their exact original external dimensions.

I understand that a great deal of effort has been put into exactly
replicating the old chimneys, including their height above the ground
(101m) and cross section. The same construction method was used, but with
better steel reinforcement. They've even been repainted into their original
colour paint, Light Ivory, RAL 1015.

If there's one difference that would really jump out would be if they were
shorter than before; there any number of pictures of the old station, so
the new chimneys will be very carefully compared with the originals.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/10/06/go-ahead-for-battersea-power-station-chimneys-rebuild/

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/06/05/two-year-rebuild-complete-of-battersea-chimneys/

https://www.batterseapowerstation.co.uk/#!/go/view/app/chimney?view=updates

http://www.building.co.uk/battersea-power-station-pigs-might-fly/5079062.article



So Pink Floyd can take the "Animals" pictures again :-)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x7SKhSyzKeU/maxresdefault.jpg


Actually, no, as the old power station will be closely surrounded by new
blocks of flats, about as high as the main power station buildings. The
only clear views of it will be from across the river.


Photoshop

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:12:55 +0100, Recliner
wrote:

I went along to Waterloo this morning and took a few pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157684802951344

A few observations:

- It was moderately busy, but no problems. Lots of blue-vested helpers
around, but they didn't seem to be needed.


The name used on the bottom of the poster that you have shown close up
is interesting,
The South Western Railway.

Is that South West Trains having a final dig that they consider
themselves to be the natural operator or has someone sensibly used a
name that covers both them and the new incumbent.
presumably South West Trains won't pull the plug on their web site on
the 20th and properly aren't allowed to do so by various agreements.

Must be tempting just to put up a page that says "Tough , ask the new
lot , we've gone.


I came across this time-lapse video (it's worth selecting HD quality):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcxGE7...ature=youtu.be



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