"Roland Perry" wrote

Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would
be all the same in that case.

Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is
"off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is
"After 9.30am".

Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card."

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and-
concessions/railcards

But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same??

[1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for
National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am.
==
This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster on
NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies?

Network cards should not allowed for Oyster discount and F&F/TTG logically
can't do it.

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...on-this-page-9

Setting Railcard discount on an Oyster card

If you have a 16-25, Senior, HM Forces or Disabled Persons Railcard, you
need to get the discount set on an Oyster card. If you don't already have
one, you'll need to get an Oyster card and register it.

You can get the discount set at Tube, London Overground, TfL Rail and some
National Rail stations. To get the discount set at a Tube station, ask a
member of staff to set it for you. You can also get the discount set at
Oyster Ticket Stops and Visitor Centres. When you renew a National Railcard,
you will need to get the discount set again on your Oyster card.
==


You can also get the discount set at Oyster Ticket Stops . . . .

Has anyone tried this?


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Mike D

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:46:23 +0100, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote

Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would
be all the same in that case.

Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is
"off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is
"After 9.30am".

Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card."

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and-
concessions/railcards

But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same??

[1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for
National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am.
==
This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster on
NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies?

No, it varies by proximity of the station to London (Met line), the
line or pair of stations being used and which direction you travel :-
http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/peak-off-peak-and-caps/
snip

"Charles Ellson" wrote

[1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for
National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am.
==
This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster on
NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies?

No, it varies by proximity of the station to London (Met line), the
line or pair of stations being used and which direction you travel :-
http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/peak-off-peak-and-caps/
snip

Thanks, but that still means if you start inside Z6 depart after 9:30 or
04.30-06.30 works at least until 16:00 for NR as well as TfL.

Outside the zones, NR may be depart after 9:30 too so a railcard discount
except Network card.




--
Mike D

In message , at 16:46:23 on Fri, 25
Aug 2017, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote

Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would
be all the same in that case.

Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is
"off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is
"After 9.30am".

Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card."

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...discounts-and-
concessions/railcards

But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same??

[1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but for
National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am.
==
This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster
on NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies?

Network cards should not allowed for Oyster discount

Why not, if you are using Oyster to make an NR journey (I've travelled
Vauxhall to Waterloo on SWT before now).

and F&F/TTG logically can't do it.

I'd forgotten that one-Oyster per bum gotcha.

--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 16:46:23 on Fri, 25
Aug 2017, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote

Are the discounts only on Oyster off-peak fares? I think they would
be all the same in that case.

Network cards are strictly "after 10am", whereas the Senior Railcard is
"off-peak {may vary locally}"[1], and the F&F/TTG/Disabled Railcard is
"After 9.30am".

Even TfL admits: "The savings are slightly different for each card."


https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...cessions/railc
ards

But how do they know, if all railcards are coded the same??

[1] For TfL fares their blanket off-peak is *depart* after 9.30, but
for National Rail the senior off-peak is *arrive* after 10am.
==
This isn't a Railcard matter but an off-peak matter - if you use Oyster
on NR I assume depart after 9:30 still applies?

Network cards should not allowed for Oyster discount

This got garbled somehow. Network cards are not relevant to Oyster because
they can't give rise to discount entitlements on Oyster.

It seems TTG is the same, with discounted (paper) Day Travelcards the only
option to obtain Railcard discounts. That means no discounts for many
journey combinations which even without discounts cost less than a Day
Travelcard.

Why not, if you are using Oyster to make an NR journey (I've
travelled Vauxhall to Waterloo on SWT before now).

Not sure what this means with my response corrected.

and F&F/TTG logically can't do it.

I'd forgotten that one-Oyster per bum gotcha.

The difference is whether the children are under 11 or not. under 11 they go
free. For accompanied 11-15 year-olds only travelling occasionally from
Cambridge the best option seems to be the poorly advertised £2 child Day
Travelcard. I must admit I've not tried adding F&F to more than one Oyster
card though.

"Holders of Disabled Persons Railcards can also get discounted travel during
peak hours"

I wonder how that works if the Railcard flag doesn't distinguish railcard
types? Maybe that statement is meant only to apply to Day Travelcards.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 05:13:52
on Sat, 26 Aug 2017, remarked:

Network cards are not relevant to Oyster because
they can't give rise to discount entitlements on Oyster.
....
Why not, if you are using Oyster to make an NR journey (I've
travelled Vauxhall to Waterloo on SWT before now).

Not sure what this means with my response corrected.

It means: where's the justice in being able to use a Network Card to get
a cheaper paper ticket, but not a cheaper Oyster trip?

Yes, there are some minimum fares with Network Cards but not at
weekends, and now Oyster is accepted at Gatwick and Shenfield that must
be more than £15 on weekdays [Later: yes fares Gatwick-Shenfield at
least £20]
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
05:13:52 on Sat, 26 Aug 2017, remarked:

Network cards are not relevant to Oyster because
they can't give rise to discount entitlements on Oyster.
...
Why not, if you are using Oyster to make an NR journey (I've
travelled Vauxhall to Waterloo on SWT before now).

Not sure what this means with my response corrected.

It means: where's the justice in being able to use a Network Card to
get a cheaper paper ticket, but not a cheaper Oyster trip?

Yes, there are some minimum fares with Network Cards but not at
weekends, and now Oyster is accepted at Gatwick and Shenfield that
must be more than £15 on weekdays [Later: yes fares Gatwick-Shenfield
at least £20]

Whatever. The Network Card has never been included in Oyster discounts.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 05:13:52AM -0500, wrote:

"Holders of Disabled Persons Railcards can also get discounted travel during
peak hours"

I wonder how that works if the Railcard flag doesn't distinguish railcard
types?

I don't know (and frankly don't care) how it's implemented, but I can
confirm that the disabled railcard discount on Oyster PAYG works at any
time of day.

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