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On 16/09/2017 16:36, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:


It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges

Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,

Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.

and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.


But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/09/2017 16:36, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:


It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges

Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,

Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.

Yes, good point.


and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.


But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.

Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his
route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile
enough that it may be worth the effort.

However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:36:12 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:


It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges

Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area, and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.

As would the bomber. The only question would be how long it took to
back-track his movements. It takes people time - but he must have
boarded the train somewhere with his bucket-in-a-LIDL-bag.

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On 16/09/2017 17:37, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/09/2017 16:36, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:


It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges

Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,

Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.

Yes, good point.


and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.


But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.

Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his
route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile
enough that it may be worth the effort.

Lots of cameras at the north end of the bridge, possibly not so many at
the south end.


However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.


It took quite a while to be made public. Don't know how long footage is
kept on modern CCTV but doubt it is more than week at the outside.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On 16/09/2017 19:10, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:36:12 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:


It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges

Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area, and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.

As would the bomber. The only question would be how long it took to
back-track his movements. It takes people time - but he must have
boarded the train somewhere with his bucket-in-a-LIDL-bag.


Limited to 5 possible places and a fairly short window of time so fairly
easy to go through.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/09/2017 17:37, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 16/09/2017 16:36, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:


It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges

Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,

Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.

Yes, good point.


and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.


But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.

Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his
route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile
enough that it may be worth the effort.

Lots of cameras at the north end of the bridge, possibly not so many at
the south end.


However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.


It took quite a while to be made public. Don't know how long footage is
kept on modern CCTV but doubt it is more than week at the outside.

Yes, that may be the weak link.

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 07:55:38 +0100, Martin Edwards
wrote:

On 9/15/2017 11:18 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.


Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.

And my money's on some jihadi ****er. We shall see.

An uncle of mine was an army officer and did time against Christian
terrorists in Cyprus.

One would expect that an uncle, were he such, would be yours!

Maybe, he was just one of your uncles.

ducks

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Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.


And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.


To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

They can now also be centrally monitored and stored for much longer. And,
in some cases, the images are automatically computer-scanned for car number
plates (ANPR) and known faces.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.

And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.

The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.

And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.

That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.



To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

Sad.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.

Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.

Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.

Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.

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Nobody wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.

And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.

The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.

And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.

That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.



To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

Sad.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.

Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.

What's with your unfunny misspellings? They just make your posts less
readable.

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.


And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.


To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html

They can now also be centrally monitored and stored for much longer. And,
in some cases, the images are automatically computer-scanned for car number
plates (ANPR) and known faces.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:52:11 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 15/09/2017 19:16, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/09/17 13:06, tim... wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh.* It sounds like a chemical reaction.* We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.


Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.

the device had a timer (apparently)


Which, apparently is a first for jihadi nutters if it is so.


But not for Irish nutters.

Or US nutters, the construction apparently being similar to the Boston
Marathon bombings :-
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...pired-11176982

or just plain home grown nutters who like killing people for some
vague reason.

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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.


And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.


To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html

I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 01:57:40 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.


And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.


To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html

I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.

At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?

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On 9/16/2017 2:14 PM, tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
-septem
ber.org, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner
remarked:

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Trying to get on a ferry?

OOI

assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)

I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:

a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents

anything else?

tim



I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

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On 9/16/2017 4:06 PM, wrote:
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.

I was once caught urinating in New Street Station by cctv. I had gone
off the platform onto some gravel, but there was a camera there.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

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On 9/17/2017 2:02 AM, Nobody wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.

And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.

The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.

And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.

That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.



To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

Sad.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.

Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.

Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.

Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.

And well policed. Stephen Pinker cites a police strike in Montreal
where there were bank raids on the first day and a provincial policeman
was attacked.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

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On 9/16/2017 4:50 PM, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\09\16 07:54, Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:11 AM, d wrote:

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers
of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

Okay, you've got it off your chest. Be it noted that most of the
vitims of these punks are Muslims in Muslim majority countries. The
daughters of my next door neighbour but one call me "Uncle". I do not
anticipate that they will try to blow me up when they are older.


Are you sure it's not "uncool"? ;-)

Impossible.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

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On 9/17/2017 1:04 AM, Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 07:55:38 +0100, Martin Edwards
wrote:

On 9/15/2017 11:18 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.


Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.

And my money's on some jihadi ****er. We shall see.

An uncle of mine was an army officer and did time against Christian
terrorists in Cyprus.

One would expect that an uncle, were he such, would be yours!

Maybe, he was just one of your uncles.

ducks

Yes, the other is still alive and in a bad way. Please don't make fun.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

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On 17/09/2017 02:02, Nobody wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.

And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.

The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.

And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.

That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.



To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

Sad.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.

Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.

Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.

Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.


One key thing is you don't have anything like the British tabloid press
which delights in keeping the population in a state of panic. What
Canadian newspapers I've seen on visits appear to be fairly staid in
comparison and some even have news in.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On 17/09/2017 02:57, Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.


And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.


To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html

I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.


All new vehicles (trains, buses, trams, etc) will have had them fitted
since they became available. Its older stock and fixed installations
that don't get changed so often. I expect there are still a few tube
cameras out there more than 30 years after CCD cameras became ubiquitous.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On 17/09/2017 07:41, Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/16/2017 2:14 PM, tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
-septem

ber.org, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner
remarked:

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Trying to get on a ferry?

OOI

assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)

I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:

a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents

anything else?

tim



I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.


Nothing very sophisticated about trawling through CCTV coverage, but it
aooears to have worked.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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In message , at 03:29:35 on
Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson remarked:
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html

I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.

At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?

The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.

Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
--
Roland Perry

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:54:55 -0700, Nobody wrote:

dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

Some are, but those don't get much coverage in the media.

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"Martin Edwards" wrote in message
...
On 9/16/2017 2:14 PM, tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
-septem
ber.org, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner
remarked:

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Trying to get on a ferry?

OOI

assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)

I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:

a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents

anything else?

tim



I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.

ESP?

My question really is

did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

tim

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 07:43:37 +0100, Martin Edwards
wrote:

On 9/16/2017 4:06 PM, wrote:
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.

I was once caught urinating in New Street Station by cctv. I had gone
off the platform onto some gravel, but there was a camera there.

Were they ****ed?

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On 17/09/2017 14:06, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:44:03 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:


assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)

I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:

a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents

anything else?

tim



I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.

ESP?

My question really is

did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

tim


Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.


Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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In message , at 16:54:53 on Sun, 17 Sep
2017, Graeme Wall remarked
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.

Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.

Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:54:53 on Sun, 17 Sep
2017, Graeme Wall remarked
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.

Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.

Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?

Presumably information will remain limited if they're still looking for
more suspects, suppliers, funders, inspirers, etc.

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On 17/09/2017 17:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:54:53 on Sun, 17 Sep
2017, Graeme Wall remarked
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for
the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

Â* Look at Train CCTV of man withÂ* with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
thatÂ* train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.

Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.

Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?

Doubt we will be told for a while yet. Threat level has been lowered
again so looks like they think no one else is involved.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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In message
-septe
mber.org, at 16:25:19 on Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Recliner
remarked:
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?

Presumably information will remain limited if they're still looking for
more suspects, suppliers, funders, inspirers, etc.

But they've lowered the threat level.
--
Roland Perry

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On 17/09/2017 17:41, wrote:

A friend who was in the police said many minor criminals aren't that
bright and often make one mistake which is all that is needed .

One I recall he mentioned was the interviewing of a suspect who had
previous form and had been brought in because of a torch dropped at
the scene.
Suspect was a getting a bit cockier as he got older and argued that no
way could they have found any prints on the scene because he had
learnt inside Prison always to wear gloves and the torch they said he
had handled would be clean and he had never seen it before.
"can you explain how your prints got on the batteries inside the
Torch ? was the next question.

A while back someone shared on a Facebook group a local newspaper story
about the police looking for someone who had run someone over. Someone
else then added a comment saying the story was unfair on her boyfriend
because his victim hadn't been watching out for people driving on the
footpath...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 09:40:01 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 03:29:35 on
Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson remarked:
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html

I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.

At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?

The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.

Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.

There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras. The need for moveable cameras is reduced
by siting fixed cameras at pinch points; each moveable camera is
likely to augment several fixed cameras depending on purpose. When you
get to the point of needing to track a specific target then you
probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom lenses).

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 01:24:59 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.

If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

It does appear to be terrorism.

Yes.

And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.

Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?

I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.

And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.

The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.

And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

Why not? It's exactly what most people think.

That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.



To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.

Yes, it's been around for many years.

Sad.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.

Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.

What's with your unfunny misspellings? They just make your posts less
readable.

Oh please, lighten up!

They are at least deliberately consistent.

We gave up wearing bowlers while striding across London Bridge a
decade or few ago, Shirley. g

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:54:43 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2017\09\15 13:06, tim... wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.


Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.

the device had a timer (apparently)

Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.

are we meant to understand that comment?

Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone should
invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least. Oh, and
sack the idiot who thought playing "There is a good service on all lines"
every 5 minutes was a way to stop people noticing that there hasn't been a
train for the last 10 and there are now 1000 people on the platform waiting.

--
Spud

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In message , at 20:05:01 on
Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson remarked:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 09:40:01 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 03:29:35 on
Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson remarked:
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html

I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.

At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?

The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.

Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.

There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras.

Tell that to the installers of the tens of thousands of cameras which do
pan and tilt.

The need for moveable cameras is reduced by siting fixed cameras at
pinch points;

The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a
timer. Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.

each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras
depending on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a
specific target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras
(and zoom lenses).

You've been watching too much "Spooks".
--
Roland Perry

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This is a very personal issue for me.

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:44:03 +0100, "tim..."
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assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)

I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:

a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents

anything else?

tim



I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.

ESP?

My question really is

did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

tim


Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.

Yes I do know how they could have found out the identity of the person

my question is

did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the
guy at Dover

or

did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way

My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the
art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have
taken them 3 weeks (or more)

tim

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tim... wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:44:03 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:


assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)

I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:

a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents

anything else?

tim



I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.

ESP?

My question really is

did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

tim


Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.

Yes I do know how they could have found out the identity of the person

my question is

did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the
guy at Dover

or

did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way

My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the
art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have
taken them 3 weeks (or more)

It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing. So they got lucky.