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Another TfL paper - this time setting out progress for Crossrail and the preparations for running into Heathrow from next May and the wider preparation for start of Central London services in 14 months time.
https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/do...nda-item13.pdf You will note that several issues are now on critical paths with little flexibility to cope with delays. These centre largely around getting signalling systems tested and integrated and also obtaining the large number of sign offs for the safe introduction of a lot of new railway assets. Oyster and Contactless ticketing to Heathrow via HEX and Crossrail should be introduced next May according to the paper. -- Paul C via Google |
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On 09/10/2017 12:18, Paul Corfield wrote:
Another TfL paper - this time setting out progress for Crossrail and the preparations for running into Heathrow from next May and the wider preparation for start of Central London services in 14 months time. https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/do...nda-item13.pdf You will note that several issues are now on critical paths with little flexibility to cope with delays. These centre largely around getting signalling systems tested and integrated and also obtaining the large number of sign offs for the safe introduction of a lot of new railway assets. Oyster and Contactless ticketing to Heathrow via HEX and Crossrail should be introduced next May according to the paper. Interesting - thanks. Do we know what the fare levels to Heathrow will be yet, or is that still up in the air (pun not intended, the trains aren't planes)? |
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04:18:53 on Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: Oyster and Contactless ticketing to Heathrow via HEX and Crossrail should be introduced next May according to the paper. And SEFT-style ITSO? -- Roland Perry |
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2017, Someone Somewhere remarked: Do we know what the fare levels to Heathrow will be yet, or is that still up in the air (pun not intended, the trains aren't planes)? A train driver recently said over the PA, I don't know if unwittingly or with very great wit: "We are now completing our approach into Cambridge Station" -- Roland Perry |
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On 2017\10\09 13:47, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:22:12 on Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Someone Somewhere remarked: Do we know what the fare levels to Heathrow will be yet, or is that still up in the air (pun not intended, the trains aren't planes)? A train driver recently said over the PA, I don't know if unwittingly or with very great wit: "We are now completing our approach into Cambridge Station" Why was this witty? Was it in Camberley? |
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On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:22:11 UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote:
Interesting - thanks. Do we know what the fare levels to Heathrow will be yet, or is that still up in the air (pun not intended, the trains aren't planes)? No idea I'm afraid. I think the only thing that is known for certain is that HEX will retain a premium fare presumably handled by HEX use only validators at Paddington as they have their own dedicated platforms there. Similar in concept to how GatEx is handled at Victoria. I assume the residual issues with the ORR (over access charging into HAL) have been resolved or are well on the way to resolution given that issue seems to have vanished from the headlines. Obviously the "headline" issue was fixed months back but there were other smaller (unspecified) things to be settled. My guess on fares, assuming that all charges for access for Crossrail are divorced from the fare charged, is that TfL will adopt something similar to the tube Oyster fare to Heathrow. I say that solely because we do not yet know if TfL will have to amend the fares on Great Western to give a smooth taper on fares once they run beyond Zone 6 in late 2019. This is not dissimilar to West Anglia and the Shenfield line having a different fares tariff from the rest of the Overground network. -- Paul C via Google |
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On 10/10/2017 01:07, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:22:11 UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote: Do we know what the fare levels to Heathrow will be yet, or is that still up in the air (pun not intended, the trains aren't planes)? No idea I'm afraid. I think the only thing that is known for certain is that HEX will retain a premium fare presumably handled by HEX use only validators at Paddington as they have their own dedicated platforms there. Similar in concept to how GatEx is handled at Victoria. My guess on fares, assuming that all charges for access for Crossrail are divorced from the fare charged, is that TfL will adopt something similar to the tube Oyster fare to Heathrow. I say that solely because we do not yet know if TfL will have to amend the fares on Great Western to give a smooth taper on fares once they run beyond Zone 6 in late 2019. This is not dissimilar to West Anglia and the Shenfield line having a different fares tariff from the rest of the Overground network. Thanks Paul - let's see if you're right when they finally get around to publishing them! |
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In message , at 20:19:56 on Mon, 9 Oct 2017,
Basil Jet remarked: Do we know what the fare levels to Heathrow will be yet, or is that still up in the air (pun not intended, the trains aren't planes)? A train driver recently said over the PA, I don't know if unwittingly or with very great wit: "We are now completing our approach into Cambridge Station" Why was this witty? There's anecdata about guards making announcements pretending to be on a plane "Welcome aboard, today we'll be cruising at zero feet above the rails..." Was it in Camberley? Last time I looked, Cambridge wasn't in Camberley. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2017\10\10 10:05, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:19:56 on Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Basil Jet remarked: Do we know what the fare levels to Heathrow will be yet, or is that still up in the air (pun not intended, the trains aren't planes)? Â*A train driver recently said over the PA, I don't know if unwittingly orÂ* with very great wit: "We are now completing our approach into CambridgeÂ* Station" Why was this witty? There's anecdata about guards making announcements pretending to be on a plane "Welcome aboard, today we'll be cruising at zero feet above the rails..." Was it in Camberley? Last time I looked, Cambridge wasn't in Camberley. Camberley used to be called Cambridge Town. |
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In article , Roland Perry
writes There's anecdata about guards making announcements pretending to be on a plane "Welcome aboard, today we'll be cruising at zero feet above the rails..." I've certainly experienced something similar on an HST out of Paddington. From memory (it was 30 years ago), it was "our cruising altitude will be five feet". -- Clive D.W. Feather |
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On Monday, 9 October 2017 13:51:37 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:18:53 on Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: Oyster and Contactless ticketing to Heathrow via HEX and Crossrail should be introduced next May according to the paper. And SEFT-style ITSO? Not that I am aware of. If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. Only those making use of discounted HEX advance tickets will be disadvantaged. -- Paul C via Google |
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04:33:09 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. -- Roland Perry |
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On 24.10.2017 4:59 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:33:09 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? If anything the UK is backward compared to the rest of the world on contactless acceptance, and since the technology is standardised by EMV (https://www.emvco.com/emv-technologies/contactless/) worldwide, the answer is going to be "as close to 100% as makes no odds." Much as large parts of the world jumped straight into mobile internet without a fixed line step in the middle, much of the world doesn't need to support ancient ICL tills and went straight to always-connected card terminals which easily support things like contactless. Here in the East we use contactless with no transaction limit even on debit cards with zero floor limit (easy and safe because all authentication is online all the time.) And my Eastern European zero-floor Romanian Lei denominated card has been accepted anywhere I tried it, from Thailand to Taiwan and everywhere in between, and from Ukraine to UK and everywhere in between (and quite a few not) as well - including, yes, on the tube. (And indeed, relevantly, on the Gatwick Express.) No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Other systems solve this problem easily, as you've been told before. NS's system for Chipkaart produces a very nice online expenses claim receipt (which is specifically valid for Dutch tax purposes in the case of nominal/registered cards,) which is far more convenient than toting around bits of paper - the same can be done for contractless cards. I see no reason why a printout from the TfL website would be unacceptable for exes purposes (or indeed for companies not in the dark ages, a screenshot or web clip or PDF - I can't remember the last time I actually needed to submit a physical piece of paper...) |
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On 24.10.2017 7:07 PM, Clank wrote:
On 24.10.2017 4:59 PM, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 04:33:09 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Paul Corfield remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? If anything the UK is backward compared to the rest of the world on contactless acceptance, and since the technology is standardised by EMV (https://www.emvco.com/emv-technologies/contactless/) worldwide, the answer is going to be "as close to 100% as makes no odds." Much as large parts of the world jumped straight into mobile internet without a fixed line step in the middle, much of the world doesn't need to support ancient ICL tills and went straight to always-connected card terminals which easily support things like contactless. Here in the East we use contactless with no transaction limit even on debit cards with zero floor limit (easy and safe because all authentication is online all the time.) And my Eastern European zero-floor Romanian Lei denominated card has been accepted anywhere I tried it, from Thailand to Taiwan and everywhere in between, and from Ukraine to UK and everywhere in between (and quite a few not) as well - including, yes, on the tube. (And indeed, relevantly, on the Gatwick Express.) No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Other systems solve this problem easily, as you've been told before. NS's system for Chipkaart produces a very nice online expenses claim receipt (which is specifically valid for Dutch tax purposes in the case of nominal/registered cards,) which is far more convenient than toting around bits of paper - the same can be done for contractless Contactless even. Goddamn, doesn't matter how many times I proofread there's always something I only spot *after* pressing Send... |
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In article ,
Roland Perry wrote: acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? FWIW, my US issued cards work fine as Oyster cards. R's, John PS: Well, give or take that when I have a senior railcard I can only apply it to an actual Oyster card. |
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On 2017-10-24 13:59:35 +0000, Roland Perry said:
As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Mine are done via Concur/ExpenseIt. I haven't done anything with physical receipts (other than to chuck in a box just in case) for years. Your clients are right Luddites. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 00:13:44 +0100, "Clive D.W. Feather"
wrote: In article , Roland Perry writes There's anecdata about guards making announcements pretending to be on a plane "Welcome aboard, today we'll be cruising at zero feet above the rails..." I've certainly experienced something similar on an HST out of Paddington. From memory (it was 30 years ago), it was "our cruising altitude will be five feet". My experience was on an Amsterdam tram. It seems that anyone with a microphone has to do it at least once in their career! Richard. |
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 14:59:35 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? We're told most - remember that there is no trouble with PINs and perhaps no floor limit is applicable as there is no charge at the time - certainly the cards I have seen used had no problems. My contactless experience is varied, always worked in Belgium, seemed not to work in Spain, but that was perhaps over the limit... and other countries are only just coming round to the idea. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Like Neil, mine are on-line. I would have thought that was normal these days for employees - you may have other experiences. Very easy (at least compared to any other HR package, but that's not saying much). Richard. |
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In message , at 16:07:00 on Tue, 24 Oct
2017, Clank remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? If anything the UK is backward compared to the rest of the world on contactless acceptance, I was more concerned about contactless issuing, and the risks of accepting foreign cards whose creditworthiness status can't be determined in real time. No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Other systems solve this problem easily, as you've been told before. NS's system for Chipkaart produces a very nice online expenses claim receipt (which is specifically valid for Dutch tax purposes in the case of nominal/registered cards,) which is far more convenient than toting around bits of paper - the same can be done for contractless cards. No doubt I'd have to set up accounts [remember to, and have time to] for every balkanised transport operator I used on a trip. I see no reason why a printout from the TfL website would be unacceptable for exes purposes That's one of the Balkanised systems one would need to register with. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 18:46:19 on Tue, 24
Oct 2017, Neil Williams remarked: As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Mine are done via Concur/ExpenseIt. I haven't done anything with physical receipts (other than to chuck in a box just in case) for years. Your clients are right Luddites. Looking at their website it's a huge faff for the user. I'd much rather chuck the receipts for a multi-country, multi-transport trip into a box, and sort it out when I get home. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 19:46:48 on
Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Richard remarked: As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Like Neil, mine are on-line. How do you get the dozens of transport operators you only use once a year to push the receipts to this online system? And no, I'm not going to set up accounts with Obscuristan bus company ahead of travelling to facilitate it. -- Roland Perry |
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On 24.10.2017 11:03 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:07:00 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Clank remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? If anything the UK is backward compared to the rest of the world on contactless acceptance, I was more concerned about contactless issuing, and the risks of accepting foreign cards whose creditworthiness status can't be determined in real time. No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Other systems solve this problem easily, as you've been told before. NS's system for Chipkaart produces a very nice online expenses claim receipt (which is specifically valid for Dutch tax purposes in the case of nominal/registered cards,) which is far more convenient than toting around bits of paper - the same can be done for contractless cards. No doubt I'd have to set up accounts [remember to, and have time to] for every balkanised transport operator I used on a trip. I see no reason why a printout from the TfL website would be unacceptable for exes purposes That's one of the Balkanised systems one would need to register with. You really use that word far too often, and completely inappropriately*. To the best of my knowledge there has never been a UN World Transit Operator that was once responsible for all the planet's metro systems but has sadly fragmented into warring factions. Please find another word to describe "it's inexplicable to me that the trams in Istanbul are not run by the same company as the buses in Belgrade". (Personally I find it not remotely frustrating - possibly partly because I'm not so tight I try to put every 50 euro cent bus journey on expenses - and indeed collecting transit cards from around the world is something of a guilty pleasure of mine. Favourite for imperious imagery is Troika... I do have a soft spot for my recently acquired JoJo though, mainly for the irrepressible urge to say "Mojo-jojoooooooo" whenever using it. I'll be rather sad when they're all replaced by EMV contactless.) * There *is* an appropriate use in this context, and it's the situation here in Bucharest where we used to have a single smartcard (ActivCard) for all transport, but after a row over the surface transport operator (RATB) not paying its bills to the underground operator (Metrorex) the latter started refusing to accept the former's tickets. Rumours of a resumption of relations are always in the air but never seem to come to fruition. Meanwhile the world has moved on and Metrorex now accepts EMV contactless at all stations so it'll be somewhat moot by the time they do. |
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In message , at 06:13:44 on Wed, 25 Oct
2017, Clank remarked: On 24.10.2017 11:03 PM, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 16:07:00 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Clank remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? If anything the UK is backward compared to the rest of the world on contactless acceptance, I was more concerned about contactless issuing, and the risks of accepting foreign cards whose creditworthiness status can't be determined in real time. No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Other systems solve this problem easily, as you've been told before. NS's system for Chipkaart produces a very nice online expenses claim receipt (which is specifically valid for Dutch tax purposes in the case of nominal/registered cards,) which is far more convenient than toting around bits of paper - the same can be done for contractless cards. No doubt I'd have to set up accounts [remember to, and have time to] for every balkanised transport operator I used on a trip. I see no reason why a printout from the TfL website would be unacceptable for exes purposes That's one of the Balkanised systems one would need to register with. You really use that word far too often, and completely inappropriately*. To the best of my knowledge there has never been a UN World Transit Operator that was once responsible for all the planet's metro systems but has sadly fragmented into warring factions. It's the payment methods which are Balkanised - currently in London (if you ignore outboundary Travelcards bought with C&P) a war between cash, Contactless Bank Cards, Oyster, and ITSO[1]. Even without the latter two, I have several Contactless Bank Cards, and even TfL is minded to remind us to use the same one when touching out as touching in. And then, when I'm trying to tot up the expenditure, I've have to remember which card statements to rummage through for the data. [1] Where I would need two different ones depending of whether I travelled Via Liverpool St or Kings Cross. (Personally I find it not remotely frustrating - possibly partly because I'm not so tight I try to put every 50 euro cent bus journey on expenses Nor do I. Once I had a policy of ignoring all travel costs to clients in London, but that was when I lived inside the M25, and my daily rate in that industry was far higher than my current one in a different industry. Nowadays, the fare from where I live near Cambridge to a client in London can easily be £50 in the peak. - and indeed collecting transit cards from around the world is something of a guilty pleasure of mine. I just collect UK ones at the moment. Currently have 12 in my wallet, if you include the Senior Railcard. -- Roland Perry |
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"Clank" wrote in message ... On 24.10.2017 11:03 PM, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 16:07:00 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Clank remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? If anything the UK is backward compared to the rest of the world on contactless acceptance, I was more concerned about contactless issuing, and the risks of accepting foreign cards whose creditworthiness status can't be determined in real time. No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Other systems solve this problem easily, as you've been told before. NS's system for Chipkaart produces a very nice online expenses claim receipt (which is specifically valid for Dutch tax purposes in the case of nominal/registered cards,) which is far more convenient than toting around bits of paper - the same can be done for contractless cards. No doubt I'd have to set up accounts [remember to, and have time to] for every balkanised transport operator I used on a trip. I see no reason why a printout from the TfL website would be unacceptable for exes purposes That's one of the Balkanised systems one would need to register with. You really use that word far too often, and completely inappropriately*. To the best of my knowledge there has never been a UN World Transit Operator that was once responsible for all the planet's metro systems but has sadly fragmented into warring factions. I don't think the complaint was used internationally, but nationally there is no obvious reason why a Stagecoach smart card shouldn't work in every area Stagecoach have a presence., but they don't FTAOD The complaint isn't that having bought a Cambridge Area Pass you cannot use it on the bus in Sussex It's that having acquired the Cambridge smart card, you cannot load onto it a Sussex area pass. tim |
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On 25.10.2017 2:43 PM, tim... wrote:
"Clank" wrote in message ... On 24.10.2017 11:03 PM, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 16:07:00 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Clank remarked: If HEX had wanted smartcards it would have introduced them by now as it's a simple self contained operation. I expect it is far keener to get TfL's contactless card system installed off the back of Oyster acceptance. Being able to use bank cards will likely appeal to a large proportion of their regular users. I wonder how many foreign-issued bank cards will work with the contactless system? If anything the UK is backward compared to the rest of the world on contactless acceptance, I was more concerned about contactless issuing, and the risks of accepting foreign cards whose creditworthiness status can't be determined in real time. No ticket purchase and no queues will appeal to business travellers. As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Other systems solve this problem easily, as you've been told before. NS's system for Chipkaart produces a very nice online expenses claim receipt (which is specifically valid for Dutch tax purposes in the case of nominal/registered cards,) which is far more convenient than toting around bits of paper - the same can be done for contractless cards. No doubt I'd have to set up accounts [remember to, and have time to] for every balkanised transport operator I used on a trip. I see no reason why a printout from the TfL website would be unacceptable for exes purposes That's one of the Balkanised systems one would need to register with. You really use that word far too often, and completely inappropriately*. To the best of my knowledge there has never been a UN World Transit Operator that was once responsible for all the planet's metro systems but has sadly fragmented into warring factions. I don't think the complaint was used internationally, but nationally there is no obvious reason why a Stagecoach smart card shouldn't work in every area Stagecoach have a presence., but they don't FTAOD The complaint isn't that having bought a Cambridge Area Pass you cannot use it on the bus in Sussex It's that having acquired the Cambridge smart card, you cannot load onto it a Sussex area pass. That's a complaint, and a valid one at that, although no worse than the status quo (if I have a two different paper tickets or passes they don't get printed on one card,) so again not balkanisation. But if that was Roland's complaint, he would of course welcome EMV contactless ticketing which solves the problem at a stroke. But as he notes above he considers this a huge step back and a case of "balkanisation" because he'd need to log into a different website for his NS exes receipts to the one for his TfL expenses receipts. (He may be a goatherder, but he is one with terribly first world problems.) He also considers every new product released which he doesn't want to use evidence of "balkanisation". (E.g. mobile tickets.) Among many other misuses of his Word of 2017. |
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:11:19 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 19:46:48 on Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Richard remarked: As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Like Neil, mine are on-line. How do you get the dozens of transport operators you only use once a year to push the receipts to this online system? And no, I'm not going to set up accounts with Obscuristan bus company ahead of travelling to facilitate it. That's a good point, but I might not bother for small amounts, and equally my company might not need evidence in these cases, I haven't checked. Anything major is paid by the company, using a corporate booking tool that finds hotels at prices more than I could get, but oddly finds cheap flights. Richard. |
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John Levine wrote:
FWIW, my US issued cards work fine as Oyster cards. I can use my US issued Visa card to top up my Oyster card at an Oyster terminal in the station, and I can enter it as a payment card on my Oyster account web page, but when I attempt to actually top up my Oyster card, the transaction fails. It also failed last week when I attempted to use the same card through Android Pay on my phone. Interestingly enough, when I tried my Amex card, I actually got an alert from AMex stating that they had processed the transaction, but it never actually completed on the Oyster end and failed the same way. |
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In message , at 15:44:33 on Wed, 25 Oct
2017, Clank remarked: That's one of the Balkanised systems one would need to register with. You really use that word far too often, and completely inappropriately*. To the best of my knowledge there has never been a UN World Transit Operator that was once responsible for all the planet's metro systems but has sadly fragmented into warring factions. I don't think the complaint was used internationally, but nationally there is no obvious reason why a Stagecoach smart card shouldn't work in every area Stagecoach have a presence., but they don't FTAOD The complaint isn't that having bought a Cambridge Area Pass you cannot use it on the bus in Sussex It's that having acquired the Cambridge smart card, you cannot load onto it a Sussex area pass. I have two Stagecoach ITSO cards, one for EMT and anther for Cambus. They are not interoporable. Nor would have been an SWT ITSO card had they ever sent me one. That's a complaint, and a valid one at that, although no worse than the status quo (if I have a two different paper tickets or passes they don't get printed on one card,) so again not balkanisation. But a paper season ticket from Cambridge to Basingstoke would work as one bit of paper, you can't load such a thing onto one ITSO card. But if that was Roland's complaint, he would of course welcome EMV contactless ticketing which solves the problem at a stroke. But as he notes above he considers this a huge step back and a case of "balkanisation" because he'd need to log into a different website for his NS exes receipts to the one for his TfL expenses receipts. (He may be a goatherder, but he is one with terribly first world problems.) The problem is caused precisely by the division of the evidence (I almost wrote paper-trail) between different backoffices. The other issue is that for example, if I look at my Card statement this week there's an entry for: 25/10/17 GREATER ANGLIA T/O PURCHASE £13.30 It doesn't tell me *which* ticket office, what product (or how many people travelling), where the end points were, or even in this case the correct date of either purchase or travel [in this case both on Monday 23rd]. He also considers every new product released which he doesn't want to use evidence of "balkanisation". (E.g. mobile tickets.) Among many other misuses of his Word of 2017. As they are a further fragmentation of the ticketing system (I need to use the correct booking site, and an associated new user account, to buy them, rather than "any booking site") it's a perfectly correct use of the word. -- Roland Perry |
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In message ial2vc9djib3ciqrs1dlot7or7c2o8gnkc@None, at 21:27:54 on
Wed, 25 Oct 2017, Arthur Conan Doyle remarked: FWIW, my US issued cards work fine as Oyster cards. I can use my US issued Visa card to top up my Oyster card at an Oyster terminal in the station, and I can enter it as a payment card on my Oyster account web page, but when I attempt to actually top up my Oyster card, the transaction fails. It also failed last week when I attempted to use the same card through Android Pay on my phone. Interestingly enough, when I tried my Amex card, I actually got an alert from AMex stating that they had processed the transaction, but it never actually completed on the Oyster end and failed the same way. Do any of those combinations work on the *gates* as an Oyster substitute? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 19:35:22 on
Wed, 25 Oct 2017, Richard remarked: As a much travelled businessman (in general terms) I can assure you that the lack of a paper receipt/ticket to attach to my expenses claim is a huge disadvantage. Like Neil, mine are on-line. How do you get the dozens of transport operators you only use once a year to push the receipts to this online system? And no, I'm not going to set up accounts with Obscuristan bus company ahead of travelling to facilitate it. That's a good point, but I might not bother for small amounts, and equally my company might not need evidence in these cases, I haven't checked. Big companies are different because they can negotiate what's called a "dispensation" with HMR&C to pay up to certain[1] daily amounts in travel and subsistence, and are allowed to self-police the receipting process (where it helps if they have an internal published scale). This doesn't apply to smaller companies and particularly not the self- employed. Anything major is paid by the company, using a corporate booking tool that finds hotels at prices more than I could get, but oddly finds cheap flights. That's not especially odd, and sounds like a legacy hotel booking system which are legendarily captured by rack-rate deals with specific chains - partly justified by saving time having to research and negotiate each night's stay individually. Tacking on airline flights suffers (from the tool's point of view) from the greater transparency of third party price comparison sites, so people can see if the fares are as outrageous as the hotel rooms often are, plus the (literally) ticket-price can be up an order of magnitude higher, so the buyers are more alert to possible savings. Richard. [1] There's big table sorted by country, and sometimes with extra entries for capital cities etc where it's accepted that prices are higher), -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
Do any of those combinations work on the *gates* as an Oyster substitute? Unfortunately they aren't RFID cards, so no. |
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In message nfl3vc5hnh6iu8it9bm10horjpqj2s1u90@None, at 06:33:13 on
Thu, 26 Oct 2017, Arthur Conan Doyle remarked: Do any of those combinations work on the *gates* as an Oyster substitute? Unfortunately they aren't RFID cards, so no. That confirms one of my suspicions - not as many foreign issued contactless bank cards as people assume. But surely the Android-Pay *emulates* a contactless card. -- Roland Perry |
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On 26.10.2017 6:27 AM, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
John Levine wrote: FWIW, my US issued cards work fine as Oyster cards. I can use my US issued Visa card to top up my Oyster card at an Oyster terminal in the station, and I can enter it as a payment card on my Oyster account web page, but when I attempt to actually top up my Oyster card, the transaction fails. It also failed last week when I attempted to use the same card through Android Pay on my phone. Interestingly enough, when I tried my Amex card, I actually got an alert from AMex stating that they had processed the transaction, but it never actually completed on the Oyster end and failed the same way. I use my Amex for contactless on TfL whenever I'm in London. Works fine. They sent an alert to say they processed the transaction? That's unusual. I occasionally get an alert to say they didn't process a transaction, but if I reply to confirm it was indeed intended you can retry. In fact, since it happened to me only last week I can paste the exact messages: "Amex Fraud Alert: Did you just attempt a charge for 25.88 USD on Card ending XXXXX at YYYYYYYYYYYYYY? Reply 1 if Yes, 2 to speak to Amex'" "Thank you. Please re-attempt the charge now. The security concern is now resolved and your Card is available for use." If they alerted me every time they processed a transaction that would be jolly irritating.... |
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Roland Perry wrote:
But surely the Android-Pay *emulates* a contactless card. Yes - and that's why I had hopes that the gates would recognize it. In fact, I had no problems using Android Pay at any number of London retail locations. |
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Clank wrote:
If they alerted me every time they processed a transaction that would be jolly irritating.... This wasn't a fraud alert - I had my account set to alert on international transactions. Unfortunately, my Amex isn't an RFID card. |
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On Thursday, 26 October 2017 19:27:32 UTC+1, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
Clank wrote: If they alerted me every time they processed a transaction that would be jolly irritating.... This wasn't a fraud alert - I had my account set to alert on international transactions. Unfortunately, my Amex isn't an RFID card. Another mystery solved. |
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23:00:26 on Thu, 26 Oct 2017, Offramp remarked: On Thursday, 26 October 2017 19:27:32 UTC+1, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote: Clank wrote: If they alerted me every time they processed a transaction that would be jolly irritating.... This wasn't a fraud alert - I had my account set to alert on international transactions. Unfortunately, my Amex isn't an RFID card. Another mystery solved. No ****, Sherlock :) -- Roland Perry |
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On 2017-10-26 17:00:25 +0000, Clank said:
If they alerted me every time they processed a transaction that would be jolly irritating.... Some of the new-breed mobile-only banks like Monzo do. I don't find it that annoying, it's just a buzz in your pocket from the app notification each time you spend. You don't have to delete it or anything, just ignore it. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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