Widened lines moorgate spur
 

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:28:18 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:02:59 -0600
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I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

The track's already there, it would cost relatively little to put down some
power rails and I can't imagine them wanting to store the trains in some
leaky tunnel with the driver having to walk out of it.

The sidings are in the open, just past Farringdon station.

*sigh*, I know. We're talking about the old widened line link to moorgate that
apparently will be used by LU according to Modern Railways. Do try and keep up.

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:28:18 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:02:59 -0600
wrote:
I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

The track's already there, it would cost relatively little to put down some
power rails and I can't imagine them wanting to store the trains in some
leaky tunnel with the driver having to walk out of it.

The sidings are in the open, just past Farringdon station.

*sigh*, I know. We're talking about the old widened line link to moorgate that
apparently will be used by LU according to Modern Railways. Do try and keep up.

I think you've misunderstood the plan, so I was simply trying to explain it
to you. The sidings *are* on the CWL, but they don't go beyond the
Farringdon area. The CWL are blocked beyond there.

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:19:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:28:18 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:02:59 -0600
wrote:
I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at
Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

The track's already there, it would cost relatively little to put down some
power rails and I can't imagine them wanting to store the trains in some
leaky tunnel with the driver having to walk out of it.

The sidings are in the open, just past Farringdon station.

*sigh*, I know. We're talking about the old widened line link to moorgate
that
apparently will be used by LU according to Modern Railways. Do try and keep
up.

I think you've misunderstood the plan, so I was simply trying to explain it
to you. The sidings *are* on the CWL, but they don't go beyond the
Farringdon area. The CWL are blocked beyond there.

Well thats not what the article said. Go and argue it out with them.

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:28:44 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:19:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:28:18 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:02:59 -0600
wrote:
I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at
Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

The track's already there, it would cost relatively little to put down some
power rails and I can't imagine them wanting to store the trains in some
leaky tunnel with the driver having to walk out of it.

The sidings are in the open, just past Farringdon station.

*sigh*, I know. We're talking about the old widened line link to moorgate
that
apparently will be used by LU according to Modern Railways. Do try and keep
up.

I think you've misunderstood the plan, so I was simply trying to explain it
to you. The sidings *are* on the CWL, but they don't go beyond the
Farringdon area. The CWL are blocked beyond there.

Well thats not what the article said. Go and argue it out with them.

Well, you seem to have read it differently to the rest of us. Why
don't you go and look for yourself?

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

On Thursday, 23 November 2017 13:36:36 UTC, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:28:44 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:19:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:28:18 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:02:59 -0600
wrote:
I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at
Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

The track's already there, it would cost relatively little to put down some
power rails and I can't imagine them wanting to store the trains in some
leaky tunnel with the driver having to walk out of it.

The sidings are in the open, just past Farringdon station.

*sigh*, I know. We're talking about the old widened line link to moorgate
that
apparently will be used by LU according to Modern Railways. Do try and keep
up.

I think you've misunderstood the plan, so I was simply trying to explain it
to you. The sidings *are* on the CWL, but they don't go beyond the
Farringdon area. The CWL are blocked beyond there.

Well thats not what the article said. Go and argue it out with them.

Well, you seem to have read it differently to the rest of us. Why
don't you go and look for yourself?

My reading of the article was that the track right through to Moorgate would eventually be used with trains stabled in the Moorgate platforms and at intermediate points. I don't keep old magazines so I can't go back and check and of course. If the full length of the line isn't reopened yet then clearly they cannot do that today even if it is still the longer term plan.

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:40:45 -0800 (PST), Piatkow
wrote:

On Thursday, 23 November 2017 13:36:36 UTC, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:28:44 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:19:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:28:18 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:02:59 -0600
wrote:
I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at
Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

The track's already there, it would cost relatively little to put down some
power rails and I can't imagine them wanting to store the trains in some
leaky tunnel with the driver having to walk out of it.

The sidings are in the open, just past Farringdon station.

*sigh*, I know. We're talking about the old widened line link to moorgate
that
apparently will be used by LU according to Modern Railways. Do try and keep
up.

I think you've misunderstood the plan, so I was simply trying to explain it
to you. The sidings *are* on the CWL, but they don't go beyond the
Farringdon area. The CWL are blocked beyond there.

Well thats not what the article said. Go and argue it out with them.

Well, you seem to have read it differently to the rest of us. Why
don't you go and look for yourself?

My reading of the article was that the track right through to Moorgate would eventually be used with trains stabled in the Moorgate platforms and at intermediate points. I don't keep old magazines so I can't go back and check and of course. If the full length of the line isn't reopened yet then clearly they cannot do that today even if it is still the longer term plan.

Do you remember which issue it was in? I still have last month's
copy, and the new issue arrived today. I've not kept any older ones.

I thought there was room for at least three or four S stock trains to
be stabled in the restored Farringdon sidings, which extend on to the
old CWL track base. I'm not clear why they'd need more.

I was under the impression that the rest of the CWL lines track bed to
Moorgate would be used to support new buildings above.

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:12:00 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:40:45 -0800 (PST), Piatkow
wrote:
My reading of the article was that the track right through to Moorgate would
eventually be used with trains stabled in the Moorgate platforms and at
intermediate points. I don't keep old magazines so I can't go back and check
and of course. If the full length of the line isn't reopened yet then clearly
they cannot do that today even if it is still the longer term plan.

Do you remember which issue it was in? I still have last month's
copy, and the new issue arrived today. I've not kept any older ones.

I thought there was room for at least three or four S stock trains to
be stabled in the restored Farringdon sidings, which extend on to the
old CWL track base. I'm not clear why they'd need more.

Perhaps they want it as a backup section to moorgate given platforms are
already in situ and functional except for the northbound at barbican.
Just an idea.


I was under the impression that the rest of the CWL lines track bed to
Moorgate would be used to support new buildings above.

You get a lot of impressions, rarely are they accurate.

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:12:00 +0000
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:40:45 -0800 (PST), Piatkow
wrote:
My reading of the article was that the track right through to Moorgate would
eventually be used with trains stabled in the Moorgate platforms and at
intermediate points. I don't keep old magazines so I can't go back and check
and of course. If the full length of the line isn't reopened yet then clearly
they cannot do that today even if it is still the longer term plan.

Do you remember which issue it was in? I still have last month's
copy, and the new issue arrived today. I've not kept any older ones.

I thought there was room for at least three or four S stock trains to
be stabled in the restored Farringdon sidings, which extend on to the
old CWL track base. I'm not clear why they'd need more.

Perhaps they want it as a backup section to moorgate given platforms are
already in situ and functional except for the northbound at barbican.
Just an idea.


I was under the impression that the rest of the CWL lines track bed to
Moorgate would be used to support new buildings above.

You get a lot of impressions, rarely are they accurate.

Sez Mr Ignoramus.

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

In article ,
writes
Yup, the article said stabling. Though I imagine they could use it as an
emergency termination point if the part between farringdon and moorgate
stuffs up. I wonder if it would need to be re-certified to carry
passengers or whether it'll inherit those as grandfather rights?

I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

To quote my own web site:

The section of the Widened Lines east of Farringdon closed in 2009:
arrangements for longer trains on the Thameslink route to Blackfriars
meant that the platforms at Farringdon had to be extended at the east
end (because of the slope at the west end), thus blocking off the
junction. This section is currently being used for Crossrail work, but
once this finishes it will be reconnected to the Underground tracks via
a double junction at the east end of Farringdon. The line will run as
double track to Moorgate and will not be for passenger service, only for
stabling trains and emergency reversing. Originally the plan was for it
to be singled through platform 3 at Barbican and in platform 5 at
Moorgate (with no track at platforms 4 and 6 respectively). Each track
would have held five trains: two between Farringdon and Barbican and
three between Barbican and Moorgate. This has been replaced by a plan
with scissors crossovers at the centre of Barbican station and a short
distance outside Moorgate. Each track will now only hold four trains,
all accessible from the platforms: one each side of the Barbican
scissors and two at Moorgate. In an emergency a fifth can be stabled at
the tunnel mouth at Farringdon.

--
Clive D.W. Feather

Widened lines moorgate spur
 

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:19:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
wrote:

In article ,
writes
Yup, the article said stabling. Though I imagine they could use it as an
emergency termination point if the part between farringdon and moorgate
stuffs up. I wonder if it would need to be re-certified to carry
passengers or whether it'll inherit those as grandfather rights?

I don't think the sidings will stretch as far as the platforms at Barbican,
let alone all the way to Moorgate.

To quote my own web site:

The section of the Widened Lines east of Farringdon closed in 2009:
arrangements for longer trains on the Thameslink route to Blackfriars
meant that the platforms at Farringdon had to be extended at the east
end (because of the slope at the west end), thus blocking off the
junction. This section is currently being used for Crossrail work, but
once this finishes it will be reconnected to the Underground tracks via
a double junction at the east end of Farringdon. The line will run as
double track to Moorgate and will not be for passenger service, only for
stabling trains and emergency reversing. Originally the plan was for it
to be singled through platform 3 at Barbican and in platform 5 at
Moorgate (with no track at platforms 4 and 6 respectively). Each track
would have held five trains: two between Farringdon and Barbican and
three between Barbican and Moorgate. This has been replaced by a plan
with scissors crossovers at the centre of Barbican station and a short
distance outside Moorgate. Each track will now only hold four trains,
all accessible from the platforms: one each side of the Barbican
scissors and two at Moorgate. In an emergency a fifth can be stabled at
the tunnel mouth at Farringdon.

I wonder why LU needs sidings capable of holding as many as eight
trains? I can see why some sidings are worthwhile, but why so many?