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a new bus announcement
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock
I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. -- Martin |
a new bus announcement
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:21:53 +0000
martin wrote: travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. A bit like on the tube where the platform guy announces that the doors are closing - after they've started closing. |
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On Friday, 12 January 2018 11:25:03 UTC, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. -- Martin It is an attempt to reduce injuries and accidents. The Mayor has imposed a requirement on TfL to reduce death and injuries on the bus network. A significant element of accidents are trips, slips and falls on moving buses. I haven't heard it yet but it was only introduced this morning. Seems to be going down like a lead balloon on social media! http://content.tfl.gov.uk/sshrp-2017...across-tfl.pdf sets out some of the initiatives including this new announcement. -- Paul C via Google |
a new bus announcement
On Friday, 12 January 2018 11:25:03 UTC, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. -- Martin Also see http://content.tfl.gov.uk/sshrp-2017...-programme.pdf and https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngov/...s%20safety.pdf A hell of a lot of effort and money is being put into this. If you think announcements are bad wait until the driver is not really in charge of the bus because a computer is talking to a speed limit map and controlling the speed. -- Paul C via Google |
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On 2018-01-12, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. I've heard it - and I think it's a good idea - but the bus drivers start too soon. Perhaps there should be a pause and beep - and the driver only starts on the beep. When lots of people are getting on you can have no idea when exactly the bus will start to move, especially if you are on the stairs or walking along the top deck to a seat. Getting off you can wait for the bus to stop before using the stairs. |
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On 12/01/2018 11:21, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. Wait until they start pushing hard the message to stay in your seat until the bus comes to a complete stop. (I don't know if TfL plans that but I met in somewhere.) It makes sense to reduce injuries but I shudder to think what it'd do to dwell times in London if people obeyed. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:37:24 +0000 (UTC)
Tim Woodall wrote: On 2018-01-12, martin wrote: travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. I've heard it - and I think it's a good idea - but the bus drivers start too soon. Perhaps there should be a pause and beep - and the driver only starts on the beep. When lots of people are getting on you can have no idea when exactly the bus will start to move, especially if you are on the stairs or walking along the top deck to a seat. I was under the impression that seeing how many people they can make fall back down the stairs on moving off was an unofficial sport amongst london bus drivers. |
a new bus announcement
On 12/01/2018 11:21, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. In theory it is a useful addition to safety but I was on three such buses today and the passenger reaction was mostly amusement (so far) or annoyance. In practice it seems to be tripped at all the wrong places and seldom at the right moment. From the way it comes on frequently while the bus is moving normally it must be an automatic system rather than a driver switch. Seems strange that TfL did not test it properly before going public. |
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martin writes:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. It is not really that new. "Hold on tight" dingding was1[1] a standard announcement by conductors. [1] Along with "Any more fares, please" |
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"MikeS" wrote in message ... On 12/01/2018 11:21, martin wrote: travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. In theory it is a useful addition to safety but I was on three such buses today and the passenger reaction was mostly amusement (so far) or annoyance. In practice it seems to be tripped at all the wrong places and seldom at the right moment. From the way it comes on frequently while the bus is moving normally it must be an automatic system rather than a driver switch. Seems strange that TfL did not test it properly before going public. par for the course (I refer the honorable gentleman to the London Ambulance Service Upgrade cock-up) tim |
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On Friday, 12 January 2018 11:25:03 UTC, martin wrote:
travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. -- Martin http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42681106 One can appreciate TfL's desire to reduce 'surface transport' passenger accidents after publication of the safety report in July last year. I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. DRH |
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On 14/01/18 16:58, DRH wrote:
On Friday, 12 January 2018 11:25:03 UTC, martin wrote: travelling on a 37 this morning, one of their new stock I was rather surprised to be told by the lady who tells us everything on buses, just as the door closed: "please hold on the bus is about to move" I thought most bus passengers understood that or is it not obvious enough since we havent quite perfected teleportation yet. -- Martin http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42681106 One can appreciate TfL's desire to reduce 'surface transport' passenger accidents after publication of the safety report in July last year. I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. DRH The 142 I used yesterday made the announcement and then sat for about 10 seconds before moving off MikeR |
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On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote:
I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:40:58 UTC, Robin wrote:
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid Maybe the messages could be combined. |
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Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ...
On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route. According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding! -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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"Robin" wrote in message ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus What wrong bus ? On the very infrequent ocasions I use buses the bus I use is the only bus on that particular route for around 80% of the distance. And only ever terminate at one destination at either end. In any case the announcements are only made in English which is hardly a help to the tourists for whom presumably such announcemennts would be of most use. Same as on the underground. But then again because TfL "can" do something at little or no extra cost which "may" "enhance the travelling experience of say 0.5% of their "customers" - in this case amnesiacs subject to panic attacks then its odds-on they "will" do it. Judging by my limited experience at least, standards of driving on buses vary greatly but I'm not sure whether or not these have deteriorated down the years. There still seem to be a minority of drivers capable of anticipating hazards and not being solely reliant on their brakes even in busy enironments but whether such skills are rewarded in any way i don't know. michael adams .... |
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On Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:20:36 UTC, Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route. According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding! -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) Maybe transfer the "This is a number X bus going to Y" to the display screens inside the bus and just have the audible safety announcement. In my limited experience London bus driving standards seem reasonably high. |
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Richard J. wrote:
Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route. According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding! The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying announcement won't need to be played. |
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On 14/01/2018 19:26, michael adams wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus What wrong bus ? On the very infrequent ocasions I use buses the bus I use is the only bus on that particular route for around 80% of the distance. And only ever terminate at one destination at either end. Try inner London. In the past week alone I have been on 3 buses where people were either on the wrong bus or in the wrong direction. From stops with an average of 3 routes with very different destinations. But I would support the gathering of statistically significant data on such things to allow a rational decision. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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"Recliner" wrote The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying announcement won't need to be played. I have observed that the route/destination announcement is indeed omitted if the entrance doors are not opened. But TfL do operate some single doored (1-D) buses. -- Mike D |
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On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote:
Richard J. wrote: Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route. According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding! The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying announcement won't need to be played. What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS? or any of the doors operatiing) and then the indicator was put on by the driver? |
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On 15/01/2018 11:01, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote: Richard J. wrote: Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route. According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop."Â* That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late.Â* The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door.Â* But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus.Â* Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding! The front doors don't open at every stop.Â* Nor do the rear doors. But if the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying announcement won't need to be played. What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS?Â* or any of the doors operatiing) and then the indicator was put on by the driver? Possible disbenefit is that if the message plays while people are still getting off the bus then you make them nervous/hurried, increasing the number of injuries from their falls etc. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 15/01/2018 11:14, Robin wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:01, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote: Richard J. wrote: Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route. According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop."Â* That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late.Â* The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door.Â* But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus.Â* Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding! The front doors don't open at every stop.Â* Nor do the rear doors. But if the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying announcement won't need to be played. What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS?Â* or any of the doors operating) and then the indicator was put on by the driver? Possible disbenefit is that if the message plays while people are still getting off the bus then you make them nervous/hurried, increasing the number of injuries from their falls etc. The driver shouldn't have put on his indicator until he is ready to move off surely? But yes, I agree with that. Also, once you start taking responsibility for warning passengers, does that not mean you are assuming liability so if the message is not played or played inappropriately passengers could sue because they weren't warned as they reasonably could have been expected to be? |
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On 15/01/2018 11:24, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:14, Robin wrote: On 15/01/2018 11:01, Someone Somewhere wrote: What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS?Â* or any of the doors operating) and then the indicator was put on by the driver? Possible disbenefit is that if the message plays while people are still getting off the bus then you make them nervous/hurried, increasing the number of injuries from their falls etc. The driver shouldn't have put on his indicator until he is ready to move off surely? Sorry, yes, I misunderstood your proposition. But yes, I agree with that.Â* Also, once you start taking responsibility for warning passengers, does that not mean you are assuming liability so if the message is not played or played inappropriately passengers could sue because they weren't warned as they reasonably could have been expected to be? :) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 14/01/2018 20:35, Recliner wrote: Richard J. wrote: Robin wrote on 14 Jan 2018 at 17:40 ... On 14/01/2018 16:58, DRH wrote: I travelled on about seven buses yesterday and every one had started moving before the announcement chimed in. Maybe it needs to come before the route/destination announcement, not after. Which would mean people who have got on the wrong bus are much less likely to be able to get off before the next stop? Serve them right. We don't want the bus held up at every stop in case someone's got the wrong route. According to the BBC "The alert is currently triggered by a computer that sends out the message after the average amount of time a bus would spend at a bus stop." That's crazy, because it means that half the messages will be given too late. The only sensible way to time the message is to link it to the closing of the front door. But there isn't really time to get this 9-word message completed before the driver starts to move the bus. Perhaps the message should be shortened to the conductors' cry of "Hold tight" in the old days, as in "Hold tight" ding-ding! The front doors don't open at every stop. Nor do the rear doors. But if the front doors didn't open, presumably nobody boarded, and the annoying announcement won't need to be played. What about playing it when the bus was at a bus stop (GPS? or any of the doors operatiing) and then the indicator was put on by the driver? Well, they are responding to the criticism: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUUZdbcXUAA_NxA?format=jpg&name=large So, more sensible new message, only played when the front doors have been opened, and with the five sec delay already removed. |
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This announcement is no more. It quietly disappeared long ago. It was just a short trial/ |
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