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Heathrow Hyperloop hype

"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message
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On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted,
instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/

snip hyperloop ********

Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and
reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last
time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's
not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it?

Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever,
but you still need more overall capacity surely?

Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper
than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory
voters than the latter.

The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at
Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall.

But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping great
if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport transfers
in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an airport then that
might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis of where to put
additional airport capacity in the overall London area.

Personally I'm still a fan of building an aiport in the middle of the
Severn estuary on a tidal barrage and connecting that with Heathrow (and
Gatwick/Stansted/Luton) via Hyperloop along the Great Western alignment
(which is pretty flat and straight). Benefits would be that the airport
would generate a massive amount of green power for the rest of the
country, you'd gain a further west road link between South Wales and the
South West (you might as well put a big road on top of the tidal barrage
as well), the Hyperloop would improve transport to South Wales / South
West, and you'd have an aiport that was marginally closer to the USA but
most importantly could be far enough from population centres that it could
operate 24x7 with impunity....

you are Michael Bell AICMFP

tim

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

"Robin9" wrote in message
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I'll believe it when I see it working. I'm not sure many people will
like
the idea of being transported in a long tube at 670 mph.

like wot that are now you mean

tim

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

In article , (Graeme
Wall) wrote:

On 15/01/2018 10:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
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september.org, at 09:19:31 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner
remarked:

Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted,
instead
of a new runway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...w-gatwick-hype
rloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/

Some rather older hype, which also reminded me of current
hype-infested discussions of autonomous cars and/or
driverless/electric parcel delivery in London:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTkua8qU8AAno6_.jpg

Good find.

Someone tweeted it this afternoon.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

On 15/01/2018 11:47, tim... wrote:

I.e. there's zero demand for a 01:00 departure AND a 04:00 landing.
People might suffer one or the other (for a medium/long haul
destination), but not both.

I've done midnight-ish to rancid o'clock in the morning flights from
Luton to eastern Europe, and they weren't empty.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:33:05 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper
than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory
voters than the latter.

in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they ****
them off

In 2015, 98% of Scottish Labour MPs discovered that doesn't always
work.

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Heathrow Hyperloop hype

On 15/01/2018 17:33, tim... wrote:

"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message

you are Michael Bell AICMFP

Who's that?

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

On 15/01/18 21:19, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 17:33, tim... wrote:

"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message
you are Michael Bell AICMFP

Who's that?

Mr. Bell was, until recently, a regular contributor to uk.railway.
He suggested a number of schemes which were financially or technically
unproven. The most notable was an alternative to HS2: a Ã¾ (thorn)
shaped route, with stations on a loop of cities which he styled
Ringby, continuing via Middlesbrough to Scotland.

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

On 16/01/2018 00:26, Certes wrote:
On 15/01/18 21:19, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 17:33, tim... wrote:

"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message
you are Michael Bell AICMFP

Who's that?

Mr. Bell was, until recently, a regular contributor to uk.railway.
He suggested a number of schemes which were financially or technically
unproven.Â* The most notable was an alternative to HS2: a Ã¾ (thorn)
shaped route, with stations on a loop of cities which he styled
Ringby, continuing via Middlesbrough to Scotland.

Ah - that's not me! I just thought that with the absurdly optimistic
claims for the Hyperloop system that we might as well take it to its
full extent and suggest something truly radical for it.

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:47:29 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:29:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper
than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory
voters than the latter.

The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at
Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall.

For whom exactly other than Heathrow Plc and its spanish owners?

They weren't measuring benefits to airport owners.

Oh I think they were. In fact the airports and subsidiary companies who work
for them are about the only businesses who will benefit. That guff about
businesses flying to meetings in Ping Pong province in china if only the routes
were there was plucked out of the airport owners backsides.

There is no Heathrow plc. If you actually meant Heathrow Airport Holdings
Limited, it's only 25% Spanish-owned.

It seems quebec and singapore companies own most of the rest. So thats ok then.

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:24:22 +0000, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 17:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 16:57, Robin wrote:
On 15/01/2018 16:40, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote:
snip

But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping
great if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport
transfers in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an
airport then that might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis
of where to put additional airport capacity in the overall London area.

But could hyperloop deliver this for airside transfers?Â* Many
passengers at an international hub don't want a transfer that requires
immigration+baggage collection+customs followed by baggage
drop+security+emigration.Â* Not impossible but segregating "airside"
passengers (and their through-booked baggage) securely on hyperloop
seems to me non-trivial.

Airside passengers board cars with doors only on one side, other
passengers board cars with doors only on the other side.Â* Stations are
designed accordingly.

Yes - surely it's not beyond the wit of man that certain cars (for want
of a different word) are designated air-side, land-side, luggage or
cargo (presumably the latter two may need to transfer terminals/airports
too) and routed to different end-points (which for want of a different
words we'll call stations).

That's more or less what they do with Eurostar between Brussels and Lille.

Heathrow Hyperloop hype

In article , Robin
writes
But could hyperloop deliver this for airside transfers? Many passengers
at an international hub don't want a transfer that requires
immigration+baggage collection+customs followed by baggage
drop+security+emigration. Not impossible but segregating "airside"
passengers (and their through-booked baggage) securely on hyperloop
seems to me non-trivial.

Actually that shouldn't be hard.

A couple of years ago I was at Taipei airport with a bit of time to
kill. They've got one of those transit "rail" systems like the ones at
Stansted, Gatwick, and Heathrow T5. The train was two units, with one
used for groundside travel and the other for airside travel. There were
staggered platforms on opposite sides of the track for the two so that
the passenger flows remained completely separate.

--
Clive D.W. Feather