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Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of
providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. Ah, more anti-Branson hype from the Torygraph, what's the matter, doesn't he make big enough donations to tory funds? -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. Ah, more anti-Branson hype from the Torygraph, what's the matter, doesn't he make big enough donations to tory funds? I suspect his crime, in the Telegraph's view, is that he's strongly anti-Brexit. And perhaps he fell out with the Barclay twins at some point? |
I'll believe it when I see it working. I'm not sure many people will like
the idea of being transported in a long tube at 670 mph. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
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-septe mber.org, at 09:19:31 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...athrow-gatwick -hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Some rather older hype, which also reminded me of current hype-infested discussions of autonomous cars and/or driverless/electric parcel delivery in London: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTkua8qU8AAno6_.jpg -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 09:45, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. Ah, more anti-Branson hype from the Torygraph, what's the matter, doesn't he make big enough donations to tory funds? There are plenty of others who have pointed out time and again the difference between promise and delivery on Virgin Galactic. Eg https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/31/branson-virgin-galactic-space-travel-failures And who have been questioning the claims for hyperloop - a proposal which reminds me of maglev in the 70s/80s. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 10:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message -septe mber.org, at 09:19:31 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...athrow-gatwick -hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Some rather older hype, which also reminded me of current hype-infested discussions of autonomous cars and/or driverless/electric parcel delivery in London: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTkua8qU8AAno6_.jpg Good find. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
In message , at
10:20:29 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Robin remarked: Ah, more anti-Branson hype from the Torygraph, what's the matter, doesn't he make big enough donations to tory funds? There are plenty of others who have pointed out time and again the difference between promise and delivery on Virgin Galactic. Eg https://www.theguardian.com/science/...irgin-galactic -space-travel-failures And who have been questioning the claims for hyperloop - a proposal which reminds me of maglev in the 70s/80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracked_Hovercraft -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote:
Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Stansted has plenty of spare capacity, and both it and Gatwick are allowed the night flights that are restricted at Heathrow. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
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-septe mber.org, at 09:19:31 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after In a reverse of the famous meme: "Breakfast in London; lunch in New York; dinner in San Francisco and baggage in Buenos Aires." -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 11:09, Recliner wrote:
Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Stansted has plenty of spare capacity, and both it and Gatwick are allowed the night flights that are restricted at Heathrow. Define "plenty" - it's certainly capacity limited in terms of access and terminal space for the plethora of early morning Ryanair etc flights. Ok - I can imagine there's spare during less desirable (for the airlines mainly) times of day. Also, do we really want all of London's airports operating at absolute capacity - surely it would be better to have spare at all times of day for new flight offerings as appropriate (subject of course to noise concerns, air corridors and so on), but also in case we lose some of the capacity for whatever reason (crash, runway tarmac problems and so on) |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 09:59:42 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: Graeme Wall wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...gatwick-hyperl op-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. Ah, more anti-Branson hype from the Torygraph, what's the matter, doesn't he make big enough donations to tory funds? I suspect his crime, in the Telegraph's view, is that he's strongly anti-Brexit. And perhaps he fell out with the Barclay twins at some point? Branson lost his right to comment on Brexit when he ****ed off to live on his rock in the atlantic and not pay any tax. That, the desperate self publicity and the blatant hypocrisy** are what get up peoples noses about this bearded twerp. ** eg recent conversion to the enviromental cause. A bit rich coming from a man who runs an airline and is probably single handedly responsible for more CO2 having been generated than anyone else in the UK currently living. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan
2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
"Recliner" wrote in message ... Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Stansted has plenty of spare capacity, and both it and Gatwick are allowed the night flights that are restricted at Heathrow. though the number of night flights is tiny, even where they are allowed They obviously don't fit into a sensible schedule for most routes I.e. there's zero demand for a 01:00 departure AND a 04:00 landing. People might suffer one or the other (for a medium/long haul destination), but not both. tim |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?* Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:44:45 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 11:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. Can't run(a)way from that… I'll get my coat. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. You say that with such certainty, but it's not true: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ http://www.tarmac.com/news-and-media/news/2015/august/uk-construction-leader-tarmac-relaunches-under-crh-ownership/ |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
In message , at 12:19:06 on
Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building materials, rather than construction. -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 12:28:37 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 12:19:06 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building materials, rather than construction. Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they **** them off tim |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
"Recliner" wrote in message ... Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. You say that with such certainty, but it's not true: really? TV news has been telling us so all weekend I have no further info that that tim |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15.01.18 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?* Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Are there shuttle services via helicopter between any of the airports? |
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-sept ember.org, at 12:26:37 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. You say that with such certainty, but it's not true: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ http://www.tarmac.com/news-and-media...construction-l eader-tarmac-relaunches-under-crh-ownership/ That's a different bit of the original Tarmac company. It doesn't build airports. -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 14:33, tim... wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow.* But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they **** them off The day of the guaranteed safe seat is probably over. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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Heathrow Hyperloop hype
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Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building materials, rather than construction. Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion. But it doesn't maintain the tarmac on runways. I agree the branding is a bit confusing though. -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:49:45 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building materials, rather than construction. Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion. But it doesn't maintain the tarmac on runways. I agree the branding is a bit confusing though. I doubt that even the original pre-split Tarmac company maintained the tarmac on runways. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?* Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:29:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: Graeme Wall wrote: Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall. For whom exactly other than Heathrow Plc and its spanish owners? |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote: On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ snip hyperloop ******** Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?* Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall. But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping great if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport transfers in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an airport then that might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis of where to put additional airport capacity in the overall London area. Personally I'm still a fan of building an aiport in the middle of the Severn estuary on a tidal barrage and connecting that with Heathrow (and Gatwick/Stansted/Luton) via Hyperloop along the Great Western alignment (which is pretty flat and straight). Benefits would be that the airport would generate a massive amount of green power for the rest of the country, you'd gain a further west road link between South Wales and the South West (you might as well put a big road on top of the tidal barrage as well), the Hyperloop would improve transport to South Wales / South West, and you'd have an aiport that was marginally closer to the USA but most importantly could be far enough from population centres that it could operate 24x7 with impunity.... |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:29:10 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Graeme Wall wrote: Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall. For whom exactly other than Heathrow Plc and its spanish owners? They weren't measuring benefits to airport owners. There is no Heathrow plc. If you actually meant Heathrow Airport Holdings Limited, it's only 25% Spanish-owned. Gatwick is also foreign-owned. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 16:40, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote: snip But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping great if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport transfers in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an airport then that might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis of where to put additional airport capacity in the overall London area. But could hyperloop deliver this for airside transfers? Many passengers at an international hub don't want a transfer that requires immigration+baggage collection+customs followed by baggage drop+security+emigration. Not impossible but segregating "airside" passengers (and their through-booked baggage) securely on hyperloop seems to me non-trivial. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Robin wrote:
On 15/01/2018 16:40, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote: snip But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping great if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport transfers in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an airport then that might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis of where to put additional airport capacity in the overall London area. But could hyperloop deliver this for airside transfers? Many passengers at an international hub don't want a transfer that requires immigration+baggage collection+customs followed by baggage drop+security+emigration. Not impossible but segregating "airside" passengers (and their through-booked baggage) securely on hyperloop seems to me non-trivial. Yes, that's a good point. As far as possible, air-side transfers are in a single terminal, with automatic baggage transfers, and that's tedious enough. If you had to arrive landside and make your way to the separate Hyperloop terminal, with your luggage, that would be truly painful. Then you'd have to do it all in reverse at the other airport. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote: On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?* Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall. AIUI that analysis ignored the effects of the disruption to the M25 and M4 over a number of years while the junction was rebuilt and the motorways moved to tunnels. No such work is needed at Gatwick. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 16:57, Robin wrote:
On 15/01/2018 16:40, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote: snip But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping great if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport transfers in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an airport then that might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis of where to put additional airport capacity in the overall London area. But could hyperloop deliver this for airside transfers?* Many passengers at an international hub don't want a transfer that requires immigration+baggage collection+customs followed by baggage drop+security+emigration.* Not impossible but segregating "airside" passengers (and their through-booked baggage) securely on hyperloop seems to me non-trivial. Airside passengers board cars with doors only on one side, other passengers board cars with doors only on the other side. Stations are designed accordingly. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 15/01/2018 17:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 16:57, Robin wrote: On 15/01/2018 16:40, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote: snip But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping great if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport transfers in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an airport then that might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis of where to put additional airport capacity in the overall London area. But could hyperloop deliver this for airside transfers?* Many passengers at an international hub don't want a transfer that requires immigration+baggage collection+customs followed by baggage drop+security+emigration.* Not impossible but segregating "airside" passengers (and their through-booked baggage) securely on hyperloop seems to me non-trivial. Airside passengers board cars with doors only on one side, other passengers board cars with doors only on the other side.* Stations are designed accordingly. Yes - surely it's not beyond the wit of man that certain cars (for want of a different word) are designated air-side, land-side, luggage or cargo (presumably the latter two may need to transfer terminals/airports too) and routed to different end-points (which for want of a different words we'll call stations). Does Hyperloop allow branches as surely that's needed. I also assume it can handle a significant capacity in a reasonable time (what's the peak passenger rate at Heathrow? presumably 15K per hour or more) |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 17:06, Recliner wrote:
Robin wrote: On 15/01/2018 16:40, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 16:29, Recliner wrote: snip But isn't the point of this discussion that if (and it's a whopping great if) using the Hyperloop technology could give us inter-airport transfers in the time it typically takes to change terminals in an airport then that might change the dynamics and cost-benefit analysis of where to put additional airport capacity in the overall London area. But could hyperloop deliver this for airside transfers? Many passengers at an international hub don't want a transfer that requires immigration+baggage collection+customs followed by baggage drop+security+emigration. Not impossible but segregating "airside" passengers (and their through-booked baggage) securely on hyperloop seems to me non-trivial. Yes, that's a good point. As far as possible, air-side transfers are in a single terminal, with automatic baggage transfers, and that's tedious enough. If you had to arrive landside and make your way to the separate Hyperloop terminal, with your luggage, that would be truly painful. Then you'd have to do it all in reverse at the other airport. But that is done in some other countries, albeit same airport but different terminals. But with a five minute transit time (!!) effectively Thiefrow, Gatwick and Stanstead would become three terminals of "London Airport". -- Colin |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2018 14:33, tim... wrote: "Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they **** them off The day of the guaranteed safe seat is probably over. In the predominately rural SE [1]? Nah The only seat that Labour have a chance of winning is Crawley, which paradoxically is too close to the airport to suffer from overflying aircraft. Historically the LibDems were the potential alternative, but currently they are a spent force Canterbury was an aberration caused by a student campaign. Not repeatable elsewhere. tim [1] so that's everywhere except Southampton, Portsmouth, Reading, Brighton, Medway and Thanet. |
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