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Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 12:28:37 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 12:19:06 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building materials, rather than construction. Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they **** them off tim |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
"Recliner" wrote in message ... Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. You say that with such certainty, but it's not true: really? TV news has been telling us so all weekend I have no further info that that tim |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15.01.18 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?* Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Are there shuttle services via helicopter between any of the airports? |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
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-sept ember.org, at 12:26:37 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:26:16 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Someone Somewhere remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. You say that with such certainty, but it's not true: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ http://www.tarmac.com/news-and-media...construction-l eader-tarmac-relaunches-under-crh-ownership/ That's a different bit of the original Tarmac company. It doesn't build airports. -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
On 15/01/2018 14:33, tim... wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway? Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow.* But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. in seats that they have zero chance of losing, no matter how much they **** them off The day of the guaranteed safe seat is probably over. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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Heathrow Hyperloop hype
In message , at 12:49:45 on
Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building materials, rather than construction. Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion. But it doesn't maintain the tarmac on runways. I agree the branding is a bit confusing though. -- Roland Perry |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:49:45 on Mon, 15 Jan 2018, Recliner remarked: crash, runway tarmac problems and so on Tarmac is part of Carillion, now. No it's not: https://www.tarmac.com/about-us/ That's a different bit of the demerged company, dealing in building materials, rather than construction. Indeed, but the Tarmac that exists today isn't part of Carillion. But it doesn't maintain the tarmac on runways. I agree the branding is a bit confusing though. I doubt that even the original pre-split Tarmac company maintained the tarmac on runways. |
Heathrow Hyperloop hype
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/01/2018 11:04, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 15/01/2018 09:19, Recliner wrote: Here's the latest hyperloop hype from CES, now proposed as a means of providing very fast links between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted, instead of a new runway: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/14/build-heathrow-gatwick-hyperloop-instead-third-runway-says-branson/ Extracts: His aspirations to send tourists into space have been notorious for setbacks, missed deadlines and broken promises. However, Sir Richard Branson’s latest venture believes it has the answer to Britain’s runway expansion dilemma, proposing a system of high-speed “hyperloops” to ferry passengers between London’s airports. Virgin Hyperloop One, a California start-up chaired by the billionaire, has been studying the possibility of a series of high-speed tubes between Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted which it says would allow passengers to travel between the airports in as little as five minutes. It says the hyperloop, a proposed transport system that involves futuristic pods travelling through low pressure tubes at speeds of up to 670 mph, would effectively turn London’s three major airports into one “hub”. Virgin Hyperloop One’s chief executive Rob Lloyd said the plan could remove the need for a third runway at Heathrow. “[We’re] thinking about how technology could make it a much different proposition than the third runway. “You’d think of this as moving between terminals instead of moving between airports,” he said. Lloyd said the company’s technical advisory board, made up of researchers and infrastructure experts, had assessed the possibility of hyperloops connecting the airports. They estimated it would take five minutes between Heathrow and Gatwick, and seven to Stansted. … However, the idea has been mocked as the epitome of Silicon Valley blue-sky thinking, with cost estimates already soaring above Musk’s predictions and engineers warning of the potential safety risks. The only successful tests of the technology to date have been unmanned trials on Virgin Hyperloop One’s 500-metre track in the Nevada desert, which have reached a maximum speed of 240 mph. It has drawn inevitable comparisons to Virgin Galactic, Sir Richard’s space tourism venture, which originally planned to start flights in 2011 but has been repeatedly hit by delays. Virgin Hyperloop One wants to have a fully-working hyperloop transporting cargo by 2021, with passengers set to follow soon after, although the company has not yet signed a deal to build a track and would have several regulatory barriers to overcome. In December, a paper published by the Department for Transport said a hyperloop in the UK would be “at least two decades away”. The DfT’s science advisory council said potential problems with emergency braking, power failures and cyber attacks, as well as the need for largely straight routes, presented a number of “technical challenges”. … continues Whilst the idea of linking all the London airports is sensible and reasonable, how does it do away with the need for a third runway?* Last time I checked slots were at a premium at all London airports and it's not like they're being used for inter-London flights is it? Now, the third runway could be a second runway at Gatwick or whatever, but you still need more overall capacity surely? Arguably a second runway at Gatwick is more practical and a lot cheaper than a third at Heathrow. But the former directly affects more tory voters than the latter. The commission found that both the costs and the benefits were lower at Gatwick, but Heathrow was better overall. |
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