Thanks for that YouTube link. I'll WiFi it to my big screen tonight.
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On 2018\02\21 18:14, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote: LCY is meant to be a local airport for east London, Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from. I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to. This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people like you. and the DLR already provides good local connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the Central and District/H&C lines. The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford (a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage). Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations. No direct trains to LCY. http://ontheworldmap.com/uk/city/lon...on-dlr-map.jpg Incidentally, I'm baffled by the scale of construction at Stepney Green. I assumed that the finished site would have either nothing or a little fan shaft emergency escape jobbie. But there seem to be at least three buildings more than 30 metres long. This site gives multiple views of the mid-construction situation with a long north-south hole in 7 segments. WTF! http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/arti...improvements-1 |
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On 2018\02\21 19:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
bob wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote: LCY is meant to be a local airport for east London, Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from. I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to. This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people like you. and the DLR already provides good local connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the Central and District/H&C lines. The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford (a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage). Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations. There are no through DLR trains between LCY and Canary Wharf. Woolwich Arsenal trains run to Bank and to Stratford International (via West Ham) That scuppers that plan then! If I ever needed to go to/from LCY, then, I'm guessing it'd be via Stratford or walk Moorgate-Bank (or make two changes, which tbh I'm generally more than happy to do in other cities). I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from Poplar? If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away from Canary Wharf. https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/....jpg?strip=all |
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:31:41 +0000, Basil Jet wrote:
I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from Poplar? There is a two level bridge across the water in that hole. At the moment the top level is being used by station construction/fit out workers for access but the lower ground level is open to the public. However North Quay remains a work site with some plans for towers that aren't going to be started for a while which means you have to walk between the Crossrail station and Poplar either under West India Quay station or via the bridge next to Billingsgate Market. In 5-10 years I expect it will be a reasonable connection with some shops to walk past. https://group.canarywharf.com/planning/north-quay/ |
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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
bob wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote: LCY is meant to be a local airport for east London, Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from. I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to. This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people like you. and the DLR already provides good local connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the Central and District/H&C lines. The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford (a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage). Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations. There are no through DLR trains between LCY and Canary Wharf. Woolwich Arsenal trains run to Bank and to Stratford International (via West Ham) That scuppers that plan then! If I ever needed to go to/from LCY, then, I'm guessing it'd be via Stratford or walk Moorgate-Bank (or make two changes, which tbh I'm generally more than happy to do in other cities). It's a very easy change at Poplar. |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 19:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: bob wrote: Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote: LCY is meant to be a local airport for east London, Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from. I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to. This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people like you. and the DLR already provides good local connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the Central and District/H&C lines. The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford (a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage). Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations. There are no through DLR trains between LCY and Canary Wharf. Woolwich Arsenal trains run to Bank and to Stratford International (via West Ham) That scuppers that plan then! If I ever needed to go to/from LCY, then, I'm guessing it'd be via Stratford or walk Moorgate-Bank (or make two changes, which tbh I'm generally more than happy to do in other cities). I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from Poplar? Yes, I think so, but it would be much easier to change to a direct DLR or Jubilee line train to Canary Wharf. The DLR also has several other closely spaced stations in the area: West India, South and Heron Quays. So it's easy to get close to the various sites in the Canary Wharf estate. Here's a picture I took from Poplar DLR station of the new Crossrail station a couple of years ago: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/22751742437/in/album-72157660672783597/lightbox/ If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away from Canary Wharf. What do you mean by 'released so far'? Those lines and stations have been open for years. https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/....jpg?strip=all Yes. The DLR stations are closely spaced in that area. |
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On 2018\02\21 23:41, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from Poplar? Yes, I think so, but it would be much easier to change to a direct DLR or Jubilee line train to Canary Wharf. I don't understand that at all. What journey are you talking about? The DLR also has several other closely spaced stations in the area: West India, South and Heron Quays. So it's easy to get close to the various sites in the Canary Wharf estate. Here's a picture I took from Poplar DLR station of the new Crossrail station a couple of years ago: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/22751742437/in/album-72157660672783597/lightbox/ If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away from Canary Wharf. What do you mean by 'released so far'? Those lines and stations have been open for years. I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as interchanging with Poplar DLR. |
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message ... On 2018\02\21 18:14, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote: LCY is meant to be a local airport for east London, Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from. I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to. This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people like you. and the DLR already provides good local connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the Central and District/H&C lines. The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford (a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage). Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations. No direct trains to LCY. Missing the comma out has given that statement the exact opposite to the one intended (I presume) tim |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 23:41, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from Poplar? Yes, I think so, but it would be much easier to change to a direct DLR or Jubilee line train to Canary Wharf. I don't understand that at all. What journey are you talking about? LCY to the several DLR stations in the Canary Wharf estate. Note that the Crossrail CW station is on the edge of the estate, with the DLR stops being closer to most of the buildings. The DLR also has several other closely spaced stations in the area: West India, South and Heron Quays. So it's easy to get close to the various sites in the Canary Wharf estate. Here's a picture I took from Poplar DLR station of the new Crossrail station a couple of years ago: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/22751742437/in/album-72157660672783597/lightbox/ If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away from Canary Wharf. What do you mean by 'released so far'? Those lines and stations have been open for years. I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as interchanging with Poplar DLR. Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's walkable doesn't make it an interchange. |
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On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as interchanging with Poplar DLR. Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's walkable doesn't make it an interchange. Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future directish route. |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as interchanging with Poplar DLR. Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's walkable doesn't make it an interchange. Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future directish route. Yes, but that's the best available link between the Northern line and the GOBLIN. It's not good, but it's better than nothing. The situation at Canary Wharf is entirely different, as there's already a good interchange between the DLR and Crossrail. Why confuse the situation and clutter up the map showing a less good walking route? By that logic, you could add dozens of second-best links between already well-connected lines to really ruin the increasingly busy map. |
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On 2018\02\22 16:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as interchanging with Poplar DLR. Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's walkable doesn't make it an interchange. Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future directish route. Yes, but that's the best available link between the Northern line and the GOBLIN. It's not good, but it's better than nothing. The situation at Canary Wharf is entirely different, as there's already a good interchange between the DLR and Crossrail. Why confuse the situation and clutter up the map showing a less good walking route? By that logic, you could add dozens of second-best links between already well-connected lines to really ruin the increasingly busy map. That makes sense for the tube map. But what about the in-car line guide on the Crossrail trains? Would "Walk to Poplar for DLR to City Airport" not make sense on the Canary Wharf blob there? |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\22 16:17, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\22 08:52, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as interchanging with Poplar DLR. Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's walkable doesn't make it an interchange. Archway to Upper Holloway is shown as an interchange (or outerchange) on the latest tube map, and that's further than the circuitous walk route available now from Poplar to Crossrail, and much longer than the future directish route. Yes, but that's the best available link between the Northern line and the GOBLIN. It's not good, but it's better than nothing. The situation at Canary Wharf is entirely different, as there's already a good interchange between the DLR and Crossrail. Why confuse the situation and clutter up the map showing a less good walking route? By that logic, you could add dozens of second-best links between already well-connected lines to really ruin the increasingly busy map. That makes sense for the tube map. But what about the in-car line guide on the Crossrail trains? Would "Walk to Poplar for DLR to City Airport" not make sense on the Canary Wharf blob there? No: "change here for the DLR" would be the right message. |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\17 19:04, wrote: https://youtu.be/d-RzWLxPQCs I hadn't actually realised that the railway was on the surface between Connaught Tunnel and North Woolwich. Amazing that they didn't build a station here, with a travelator under Holt Road to the airport. This must the be nearest that a railway has ever opened to an airport without making any attempt to serve it. There don't seem to be many ways for pedestrians to cross the railway here either. The businesses in Factory Road are a stone's throw from the houses around Holt Road and are not much further from the airport but they almost have a shorter walking route under the Thames to Woolwich than they do under Crossrail to the houses. You might be interested in a report in today's Times: Extract: It is the issue that has had London City airport spotters perplexed for years: why is it not connected to the £15 billion Crossrail line? It has now emerged that the airport is about to embark on a year-long feasibility study to make the case for adding a station to the route. The east-west line takes a 26-mile subterranean route through the capital and passes just 550ft from the airport terminal. Robert Sinclair, chief executive of the airport, said the project would examine the engineering case for a Crossrail station and present options to its bosses. The study, which has yet to be commissioned, is expected to take between one and two years. It has previously been suggested that such a station would cost about £50 million. It would add two and a half minutes to journey times from one end of the line to the other. Mr Sinclair said: “We understand that that won’t happen overnight but we see a Crossrail station as a major strategic imperative.” From: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/city-airport-to-broaden-its-horizons-as-tourist-hub-309g3nfx7?shareToken=2df295a0aa11a527a104da976cdd6 a7f |
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I am amazed that the Crossrail route is still moot. I thought it had all been settled.
It does seem rather a poke in the eye that the line passes just 550ft from the airport, as if Crossrail didn't know it was there. And City Airport is going to take TWO years making a feasibility study! |
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Offramp wrote:
I am amazed that the Crossrail route is still moot. I thought it had all been settled. It does seem rather a poke in the eye that the line passes just 550ft from the airport, as if Crossrail didn't know it was there. And City Airport is going to take TWO years making a feasibility study! The route is settled, but LCY would like a station to be added. I don't think there would be a diversion to run closer to the airport terminal. It does seem odd that this is coming up just months before the line finally opens. The issue mudt have been considered many years ago, and the option dismissed. After all, the equivalent discussions and decisions about additional, privately-funded Crossrail stations at Canary Wharf and Woolwich took place many years ago: https://www.1londonblog.uk/2018/01/3...rail-woolwich/ |
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On 2018\02\26 08:05, Offramp wrote:
I am amazed that the Crossrail route is still moot. I thought it had all been settled. It does seem rather a poke in the eye that the line passes just 550ft from the airport, as if Crossrail didn't know it was there. And City Airport is going to take TWO years making a feasibility study! 550 ft from the *main terminal*. It passes under the taxiway by the private jet terminal. |
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On 2018\02\21 18:40, Basil Jet wrote:
Incidentally, I'm baffled by the scale of construction at Stepney Green. I assumed that the finished site would have either nothing or a little fan shaft emergency escape jobbie. But there seem to be at least three buildings more than 30 metres long. This site gives multiple views of the mid-construction situation with a long north-south hole in 7 segments. WTF! http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/arti...improvements-1 I'm surprised there are no replies on this at all. |
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On 26/02/2018 07:55, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\17 19:04, wrote: https://youtu.be/d-RzWLxPQCs I hadn't actually realised that the railway was on the surface between Connaught Tunnel and North Woolwich. Amazing that they didn't build a station here, with a travelator under Holt Road to the airport. This must the be nearest that a railway has ever opened to an airport without making any attempt to serve it. There don't seem to be many ways for pedestrians to cross the railway here either. The businesses in Factory Road are a stone's throw from the houses around Holt Road and are not much further from the airport but they almost have a shorter walking route under the Thames to Woolwich than they do under Crossrail to the houses. You might be interested in a report in today's Times: Extract: It is the issue that has had London City airport spotters perplexed for years: why is it not connected to the £15 billion Crossrail line? It has now emerged that the airport is about to embark on a year-long feasibility study to make the case for adding a station to the route. The east-west line takes a 26-mile subterranean route through the capital and passes just 550ft from the airport terminal. Robert Sinclair, chief executive of the airport, said the project would examine the engineering case for a Crossrail station and present options to its bosses. The study, which has yet to be commissioned, is expected to take between one and two years. It has previously been suggested that such a station would cost about £50 million. It would add two and a half minutes to journey times from one end of the line to the other. Mr Sinclair said: “We understand that that won’t happen overnight but we see a Crossrail station as a major strategic imperative.” From: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/city-airport-to-broaden-its-horizons-as-tourist-hub-309g3nfx7?shareToken=2df295a0aa11a527a104da976cdd6 a7f And it never occurred to them before? -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 2018\02\26 07:55, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 2018\02\17 19:04, wrote: https://youtu.be/d-RzWLxPQCs I hadn't actually realised that the railway was on the surface between Connaught Tunnel and North Woolwich. Amazing that they didn't build a station here, with a travelator under Holt Road to the airport. This must the be nearest that a railway has ever opened to an airport without making any attempt to serve it. There don't seem to be many ways for pedestrians to cross the railway here either. The businesses in Factory Road are a stone's throw from the houses around Holt Road and are not much further from the airport but they almost have a shorter walking route under the Thames to Woolwich than they do under Crossrail to the houses. You might be interested in a report in today's Times: Extract: It is the issue that has had London City airport spotters perplexed for years: why is it not connected to the £15 billion Crossrail line? It has now emerged that the airport is about to embark on a year-long feasibility study to make the case for adding a station to the route. The east-west line takes a 26-mile subterranean route through the capital and passes just 550ft from the airport terminal. Robert Sinclair, chief executive of the airport, said the project would examine the engineering case for a Crossrail station and present options to its bosses. The study, which has yet to be commissioned, is expected to take between one and two years. It has previously been suggested that such a station would cost about £50 million. It would add two and a half minutes to journey times from one end of the line to the other. Mr Sinclair said: “We understand that that won’t happen overnight but we see a Crossrail station as a major strategic imperative.” From: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/city-airport-to-broaden-its-horizons-as-tourist-hub-309g3nfx7?shareToken=2df295a0aa11a527a104da976cdd6 a7f Thanking you kindly. |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:17:43 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote: On 26/02/2018 07:55, Recliner wrote: You might be interested in a report in today's Times: Extract: It is the issue that has had London City airport spotters perplexed for years: why is it not connected to the 15 billion Crossrail line? It has now emerged that the airport is about to embark on a year-long feasibility study to make the case for adding a station to the route. The east-west line takes a 26-mile subterranean route through the capital and passes just 550ft from the airport terminal. Robert Sinclair, chief executive of the airport, said the project would examine the engineering case for a Crossrail station and present options to its bosses. The study, which has yet to be commissioned, is expected to take between one and two years. It has previously been suggested that such a station would cost about 50 million. It would add two and a half minutes to journey times from one end of the line to the other. Mr Sinclair said: We understand that that wont happen overnight but we see a Crossrail station as a major strategic imperative. From: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/city-airport-to-broaden-its-horizons-as-tourist-hub-309g3nfx7?shareToken=2df295a0aa11a527a104da976cdd6 a7f And it never occurred to them before? If it's got as far as officially being announced now, then it occurred to them a very long time ago. For obvious reasons, they wouldn't have wanted to spend any money on it until they were certain that Crossrail itself was going to open on time and the prospect of an airport station was realistic. Also, this is probably linked to projected growth in usage, particularly in the leisure market. Existing passenger numbers are catered for well enough by the DLR and road links (especially given that a lot of business travellers will be starting from their offices rather than home). But a Crossrail station will make it much more easily accessible for travellers starting from outside London. Mark |
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It's as if they thought, "Let's wait until a WWII bomb is found nearby, THEN kick up a fuss."
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