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On 2018\02\17 19:04, wrote:
https://youtu.be/d-RzWLxPQCs

I hadn't actually realised that the railway was on the surface between
Connaught Tunnel and North Woolwich. Amazing that they didn't build a
station here, with a travelator under Holt Road to the airport. This
must the be nearest that a railway has ever opened to an airport without
making any attempt to serve it.

There don't seem to be many ways for pedestrians to cross the railway
here either. The businesses in Factory Road are a stone's throw from the
houses around Holt Road and are not much further from the airport but
they almost have a shorter walking route under the Thames to Woolwich
than they do under Crossrail to the houses.

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Thanks for that YouTube link. I'll WiFi it to my big screen tonight.
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On 2018\02\21 18:14, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote:

LCY is meant to be a
local airport for east London,


Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow,
Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from.
I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to.


This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people
like you.

and the DLR already provides good local
connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also
has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the
Central and District/H&C lines.


The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford
(a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit
of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage).


Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations.


No direct trains to LCY.

http://ontheworldmap.com/uk/city/lon...on-dlr-map.jpg

Incidentally, I'm baffled by the scale of construction at Stepney Green.
I assumed that the finished site would have either nothing or a little
fan shaft emergency escape jobbie. But there seem to be at least three
buildings more than 30 metres long.



This site gives multiple views of the mid-construction situation with a
long north-south hole in 7 segments. WTF!

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/arti...improvements-1
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On 2018\02\21 19:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
bob wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote:

LCY is meant to be a
local airport for east London,

Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow,
Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from.
I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to.


This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people
like you.

and the DLR already provides good local
connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also
has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the
Central and District/H&C lines.

The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford
(a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit
of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage).


Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations.


There are no through DLR trains between LCY and Canary Wharf. Woolwich
Arsenal trains run to Bank and to Stratford International (via West Ham)



That scuppers that plan then!

If I ever needed to go to/from LCY, then, I'm guessing it'd be via
Stratford or walk Moorgate-Bank (or make two changes, which tbh I'm
generally more than happy to do in other cities).


I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have
direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less
than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the
walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the
Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from
Poplar?



If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the
tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away
from Canary Wharf.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/....jpg?strip=all
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:31:41 +0000, Basil Jet wrote:
I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have
direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less
than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the
walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the
Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from
Poplar?



There is a two level bridge across the water in that hole. At the moment
the top level is being used by station construction/fit out workers for
access but the lower ground level is open to the public.

However North Quay remains a work site with some plans for towers that
aren't going to be started for a while which means you have to walk
between the Crossrail station and Poplar either under West India Quay
station or via the bridge next to Billingsgate Market.

In 5-10 years I expect it will be a reasonable connection with some
shops to walk past.

https://group.canarywharf.com/planning/north-quay/


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Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
bob wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote:

LCY is meant to be a
local airport for east London,

Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow,
Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from.
I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to.


This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people
like you.

and the DLR already provides good local
connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also
has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the
Central and District/H&C lines.

The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford
(a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit
of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage).


Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations.


There are no through DLR trains between LCY and Canary Wharf. Woolwich
Arsenal trains run to Bank and to Stratford International (via West Ham)



That scuppers that plan then!

If I ever needed to go to/from LCY, then, I'm guessing it'd be via
Stratford or walk Moorgate-Bank (or make two changes, which tbh I'm
generally more than happy to do in other cities).


It's a very easy change at Poplar.

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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 19:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
bob wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote:

LCY is meant to be a
local airport for east London,

Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow,
Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from.
I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to.


This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people
like you.

and the DLR already provides good local
connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It also
has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the
Central and District/H&C lines.

The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford
(a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit
of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage).


Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations.

There are no through DLR trains between LCY and Canary Wharf. Woolwich
Arsenal trains run to Bank and to Stratford International (via West Ham)



That scuppers that plan then!

If I ever needed to go to/from LCY, then, I'm guessing it'd be via
Stratford or walk Moorgate-Bank (or make two changes, which tbh I'm
generally more than happy to do in other cities).


I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have
direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less
than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the
walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the
Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from
Poplar?


Yes, I think so, but it would be much easier to change to a direct DLR or
Jubilee line train to Canary Wharf. The DLR also has several other closely
spaced stations in the area: West India, South and Heron Quays. So it's
easy to get close to the various sites in the Canary Wharf estate.

Here's a picture I took from Poplar DLR station of the new Crossrail
station a couple of years ago:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/22751742437/in/album-72157660672783597/lightbox/



If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the
tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away
from Canary Wharf.


What do you mean by 'released so far'? Those lines and stations have been
open for years.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/....jpg?strip=all

Yes. The DLR stations are closely spaced in that area.



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On 2018\02\21 23:41, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have
direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less
than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the
walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the
Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from
Poplar?


Yes, I think so, but it would be much easier to change to a direct DLR or
Jubilee line train to Canary Wharf.


I don't understand that at all. What journey are you talking about?


The DLR also has several other closely
spaced stations in the area: West India, South and Heron Quays. So it's
easy to get close to the various sites in the Canary Wharf estate.

Here's a picture I took from Poplar DLR station of the new Crossrail
station a couple of years ago:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/22751742437/in/album-72157660672783597/lightbox/



If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the
tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away
from Canary Wharf.


What do you mean by 'released so far'? Those lines and stations have been
open for years.


I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as
interchanging with Poplar DLR.
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On 2018\02\21 18:14, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 17:19, Recliner wrote:

LCY is meant to be a
local airport for east London,

Blimey. It's an airport. As a Londoner, I go to Gatwick, Heathrow,
Luton, Stansted or City, depending on where my flight is going from.
I've never chosen an airport and then seen where I can fly to.


This is a local airport for local people, there's nothing here for people
like you.

and the DLR already provides good local
connectivity, including multiple stops in the Canary Wharf area. It
also
has good links with the Jubilee line, and slightly less good with the
Central and District/H&C lines.

The only stations with both DLR to LCY and Crossrail will be Stratford
(a bit out of the way from Central London) and Woolwich/Arsenal (a bit
of a walk in not the best of areas to be carting luggage).


Canary Wharf is only a short walk between the stations.


No direct trains to LCY.


Missing the comma out has given that statement the exact opposite to the one
intended (I presume)

tim



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Basil Jet wrote:
On 2018\02\21 23:41, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

I've just realised that the distance from Poplar DLR (which does have
direct trains to LCY) to the centre of Crossrail Canary Wharf is less
than the length of a Crossrail platform, but I'm not sure how good the
walking route is these days. Is that hexagonal hole in the side of the
Crossrail station supposed to take an extension of the footbridge from
Poplar?


Yes, I think so, but it would be much easier to change to a direct DLR or
Jubilee line train to Canary Wharf.


I don't understand that at all. What journey are you talking about?


LCY to the several DLR stations in the Canary Wharf estate. Note that the
Crossrail CW station is on the edge of the estate, with the DLR stops being
closer to most of the buildings.


The DLR also has several other closely
spaced stations in the area: West India, South and Heron Quays. So it's
easy to get close to the various sites in the Canary Wharf estate.

Here's a picture I took from Poplar DLR station of the new Crossrail
station a couple of years ago:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/22751742437/in/album-72157660672783597/lightbox/



If so, that would be a fine route from Central London to LCY. But the
tube maps released so far show Poplar as being TWO stops on the DLR away
from Canary Wharf.


What do you mean by 'released so far'? Those lines and stations have been
open for years.


I'm suggesting that the map could show the Crossrail station as
interchanging with Poplar DLR.


Well, it doesn't yet, and it may be a while before it does. It would
probably be wrong to show the link as an interchange, anyway, as it's much
further than the actual interchange at Canary Wharf. Just because a route's
walkable doesn't make it an interchange.



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