On Friday, 16 March 2018 13:26:41 UTC, wrote:
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

Clive Page wrote on 16 Mar 2018 at 11:45 ...
On 16/03/2018 10:13, Someone Somewhere wrote:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...to-match-tube-
prices-but-heathrow-passengers-set-to-pay-premium-a3791496.html

Excessive premiumm to LHR from Z1 - £7.20,Â* from Z2 only £4.50,
otherwise normal fares.

An important question I can't see an answer to is: does a zone 1-6
travelcard cover travel on the Elizabeth Line as far as Heathrow?

Yes it does. Also Freedom Passes.

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/pr...or-of-london-a
nnounces-tfl-fares-will-apply-to-elizabeth-line

Or, to be precise, no.

It does NOT say that a zone 1-6 travelcard will cover travel on the
Elizabeth Line as far as Heathrow. It's well written as smoke and mirrors
but it offers no prices to Heathrow using travelcards, nor can I see any
reference to Freedom Passes. So what those of us outside London who would
expect to buy a day travelcard and not use Oyster are supposed to do is
entirely unstated.

To get the full facts then read the Mayoral Decision.

https://www.london.gov.uk/decisions/...es-20-may-2018

It is absolutely clear that Daily / 7 Day and longer Travelcards valid in Zone 6 will be valid to Heathrow using TfL. Ditto for daily / weekly caps covering travel to Zone 6.

All existing concessions also apply to TfL Rail services including the 60+ Pass, Freedom Pass, Veterans Oyster Card and the various child / low income / job seeker reductions.

TfL are also arranging with HAL as to how the existing Heathrow staff travel concessions will be maintained. At present they are a "goodwill" measure from GWR.

HEX will remain outside capping and Travelcard schemes. Oyster and Contactless acceptance will begin in the Summer when the gating of HEX's platforms at Paddington is complete. The HEX stations at Heathrow are also being gated as part of this scheme.

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On 17/03/2018 20:57, Paul Corfield wrote:

TfL are also arranging with HAL as to how the existing Heathrow staff travel concessions will be maintained. At present they are a "goodwill" measure from GWR.

Whilst I appreciate many staff are low paid (although many aren't), I
don't quite understand why HAL gets or expects a goodwill measure from
GWR when they then insist on charging or minimum fares (which is what
this is) for access to their infrastructure...

And the clamouring about whether freedom passes are valid is starting to
be irksome - they are a concession, not a right.

In message , at
13:57:35 on Sat, 17 Mar 2018, Paul Corfield
remarked:
To get the full facts then read the Mayoral Decision.

https://www.london.gov.uk/decisions/...es-20-may-2018

It is absolutely clear that Daily / 7 Day and longer Travelcards valid in Zone 6 will be valid to Heathrow using TfL. Ditto for daily / weekly
caps covering travel to Zone 6.

What that doesn't explicitly reveal is how outboundary through fares
such as:

http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?o...&ldn=1&tkt=SVR

and

http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?o...st=ZHJ&tkt=SVR

will be affected (if at all).

Although one obvious conclusion be "not at all".

In other words the Elizabeth Line trip won't count as 'underground' for
such fares, even if they presumably would for outboundary Travelcards.

The results in an anomaly for day tickets where for £50.50 one will be
able to get a [valid on Lizzy Line] outboundary travelcard:

http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?o...d=0035&tkt=ADT

But it would cost £84.90 to do the same trip on a SDR:

http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?o...d=0035&tkt=ADT

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Roland Perry

In message , at 12:15:19 on Fri, 16 Mar
2018, Richard J. remarked:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a3791496.html

Excessive premiumm to LHR from Z1 - £7.20,* from Z2 only £4.50, otherwise normal fares.
An important question I can't see an answer to is: does a zone 1-6
travelcard cover travel on the Elizabeth Line as far as Heathrow?

Yes it does. Also Freedom Passes.
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/pr...h/mayor-of-lon
don-announces-tfl-fares-will-apply-to-elizabeth-line

What appears to be happening here is that while PAYG fares have a
premium, you will reach the existing (and continuing) daily cap very
quickly. Verily a tourist tax on people doing one one-way trip to/from
Heathrow on a particular day.

The fudge continues, even under TfL management, that the ex Heathrow
Connect (now Elizabeth Line) stations may be geographically in Z6, but
they are not for fares purposes. Apart from this concession about
capping/all-day tickets.
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Roland Perry

On 2018\03\16 10:13, Someone Somewhere wrote:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a3791496.html


Excessive premiumm to LHR from Z1 - £7.20,Â* from Z2 only £4.50,
otherwise normal fares.

And Crossrail now appears to go more northerly than was expected!

More northerly than North Pole?

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2018\03\16 10:13, Someone Somewhere wrote:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...to-match-tube-
prices-but-heathrow-passengers-set-to-pay-premium-a3791496.html

Excessive premiumm to LHR from Z1 - £7.20,* from Z2 only £4.50,
otherwise normal fares.

And Crossrail now appears to go more northerly than was expected!

More northerly than North Pole?

Depends on your choice of North Pole.

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Colin Rosenstiel