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When will the 700s reach moorgate?
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20:47:08 on Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Arthur Figgis remarked: 700s will not run to Moorgate as they are too long and do not have cab door= s for tunnel evacuation. GTR ordered a variant called the 717 which will re= place the 313s. This are 6 cars long and do have centre cab doors. The fir= Do you know if they'll be 2+3 seating like the 313s? There's no reason to expect the interiors to differ from the 700's No tiolets. Fair enough. And the style of seating? -- Roland Perry |
When will the 700s reach moorgate?
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When will the 700s reach moorgate?
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 06:54:49 on Fri, 30 Mar 2018, remarked: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 20:47:08 on Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Arthur Figgis remarked: 700s will not run to Moorgate as they are too long and do not have cab doors for tunnel evacuation. GTR ordered a variant called the 717 which will replace the 313s. This are 6 cars long and do have centre cab doors. The fir Do you know if they'll be 2+3 seating like the 313s? There's no reason to expect the interiors to differ from the 700's No tiolets. Fair enough. And the style of seating? Following current fashion, no doubt. Unlikely to be 3+2, then; which was all that had been asked. I visited Wimbledon Traincare Depot recently but forgot to take a close enough look at the class 707s there to see how their seats compare with those on the 700s. I am told they are similar. A mixture of 2+2 and 2+1, I think. That was only part of the question. No tables I think is true. Siemens have form on that score on South Western - vide the 450s which are used on express services with refreshments trolleys despite that definite handicap. The other question is seat spacing and lack of armrests, something of a new low on the 700s. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
When will the 700s reach moorgate?
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:31:30 -0500
wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 06:54:49 on Fri, 30 Mar 2018, remarked: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 20:47:08 on Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Arthur Figgis remarked: 700s will not run to Moorgate as they are too long and do not have cab doors for tunnel evacuation. GTR ordered a variant called the 717 which will replace the 313s. This are 6 cars long and do have centre cab doors. The fir Do you know if they'll be 2+3 seating like the 313s? There's no reason to expect the interiors to differ from the 700's No tiolets. Fair enough. And the style of seating? Following current fashion, no doubt. Unlikely to be 3+2, then; which was all that had been asked. I visited Wimbledon Traincare Depot recently but forgot to take a close enough look at the class 707s there to see how their seats compare with those on the 700s. I am told they are similar. A mixture of 2+2 and 2+1, I think. That was only part of the question. No tables I think is true. Siemens have form on that score on South Western - vide the 450s which are used on express services with refreshments trolleys despite that definite handicap. The other question is seat spacing and lack of armrests, something of a new low on the 700s. The race to the bottom for passenger comfort continues unabated it seems. I find it hard to believe an extra bit of padding and armrests for the seats would even make a blip in the final cost of each train, but I guess they must do it for financial reasons. Unless it is purely out of spite. |
When will the 700s reach moorgate?
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When will the 700s reach moorgate?
John Williamson wrote:
On 31/03/2018 17:34, wrote: The race to the bottom for passenger comfort continues unabated it seems. I find it hard to believe an extra bit of padding and armrests for the seats would even make a blip in the final cost of each train, but I guess they must do it for financial reasons. Unless it is purely out of spite. From experience on buses and coaches, the extra cost comes in the time it takes to clean padded seats either daily or after a puking incident. But the rock hard new train seats *are* padded. However, the padding is much too thin, there's no spring base and the seats are badly shaped and too upright. The armrests are either missing or too short, and the spacer between seat pairs is often absent. The problem is that most train buyers don't specify that they require comfortable seats, but do want the train to cost less. If they demanded comfortable seats, the train builders would fit them from new; retrofitting them after delivery would cost much more. On one notorious occasion (In the 1970s), The Man From The Ministry took every single RM on one route off the road for "dirty seats", after someone had upset him. If there is no padding or cloth involved, then the dust from passengers' skin can't build up and need a deep clean every day or two. We don't usually (yet) have hard plastic or metal shell seats in UK buses and trains. But upholstery alone doesn't make seats comfortable; they also need padding and an ergonomic shape, with a sloping seat base and lumbar support. |
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