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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:05:21 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:53:46 on Mon, 11 Jun 2018, remarked: a hub airport brings very little to the UK other than pollution and profit for Heathrow Plc. It brings a great deal of employment (on the airport and off it). Really? Where? A few extra staff at the terminals and a few extra journeys for cabbies. Thats about it. I suspect it would take a few millenia to recoup the billions that will be spent on it the extra tax income from those jobs. It also makes routes which were not otherwise economic to operate, available to locals to fly on. How so? You think Heathrow are going to drop their landing fees? More likely they'll raise them significantly. |
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:30:18 +0100
Recliner wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:16:23 +0000 (UTC), wrote: How so? You think Heathrow are going to drop their landing fees? More likely they'll raise them significantly. We seem to have this exact same discussion about once a year. Let's just accept that you'll never understand the concept of a hub airport. A child could understand the concept. A child could also understand why we don't need an even larger one in the west of london. However apparently you and the comedians in government apparently don't. As someone who's afraid of flying, you've probably never used one. The fact that you constantly bring up that assertion you made up about once a month in lieu of an actual argument shows you don't have one. But lets be honest, all you give a damn about is being able to swill your booze in first class at 35K feet, you don't give a monkeys about the millions of people who'll have to suffer the construction and operation of this pointless white elephant. |
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
In message , at 11:16:23 on Mon, 11 Jun
2018, remarked: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:05:21 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:53:46 on Mon, 11 Jun 2018, remarked: a hub airport brings very little to the UK other than pollution and profit for Heathrow Plc. It brings a great deal of employment (on the airport and off it). Really? Where? A few extra staff at the terminals If a third [approximately] of all flights are generated by transfer passengers then all the maintenance and support (eg airline meals and baggage handling, and cleaning and fuelling and dispatch) for those flights creates work in the local economy. and a few extra journeys for cabbies. Thats about it. Transfer flights don't create work for cabbies. Please try to get a grip. I suspect it would take a few millenia to recoup the billions that will be spent on it the extra tax income from those jobs. The capital cost is recouped from the air fares. It also makes routes which were not otherwise economic to operate, available to locals to fly on. How so? You think Heathrow are going to drop their landing fees? More likely they'll raise them significantly. It's nothing to do with landing fees, simply without the transfer passengers numerous of the final destinations would no longer be economic for the airlines to service. -- Roland Perry |
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:52:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:16:23 on Mon, 11 Jun 2018, remarked: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:05:21 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:53:46 on Mon, 11 Jun 2018, remarked: a hub airport brings very little to the UK other than pollution and profit for Heathrow Plc. It brings a great deal of employment (on the airport and off it). Really? Where? A few extra staff at the terminals If a third [approximately] of all flights are generated by transfer passengers then all the maintenance and support (eg airline meals and baggage handling, and cleaning and fuelling and dispatch) for those flights creates work in the local economy. A trivial amount. and a few extra journeys for cabbies. Thats about it. Transfer flights don't create work for cabbies. Please try to get a grip. I'm assuming it won't all be transfer passengers. I said a few extra. I suspect it would take a few millenia to recoup the billions that will be spent on it the extra tax income from those jobs. The capital cost is recouped from the air fares. Ah, I see you're a comedian too. For a start the airlines arn't funding it and secondly if heathrow raise their fees too high some of them may simply clear off elsewhere. How so? You think Heathrow are going to drop their landing fees? More likely they'll raise them significantly. It's nothing to do with landing fees, simply without the transfer passengers numerous of the final destinations would no longer be economic for the airlines to service. Give some examples then of routes that will be used by transfer passengers but not in any significant amount by locals. |
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:54:55 +0100
John Williamson wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:36, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:52:34 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: If a third [approximately] of all flights are generated by transfer passengers then all the maintenance and support (eg airline meals and baggage handling, and cleaning and fuelling and dispatch) for those flights creates work in the local economy. A trivial amount. Equivalent to about 20,000 full time jobs, mostly customers of local businesses, for an extra 5,000 full time jobs in local businesses. LOL, yes, I'm sure it says that in Heathrow Plcs strategy document. Now how about a link to some projections by a neutral 3rd party? Heathrow employs about 60,000 people, or the entire population of a small town, all of whom need entertainment, food and other services. Not to mention the 23 million or so passengers per year who will need feedingand other services, again supplied by local businesses. Trivial? Yes, because your projected figures are bull****. Give some examples then of routes that will be used by transfer passengers but not in any significant amount by locals. It's a marginal problem. Some destinations aren't worth flying to with either the transfer passengers or the local passengers as the sole load. Add the two together, and you have a full plane which makes a profit, as against two part full ones, neither of which is profitable. It costs almost the same to fly empty as full. So currently no actual examples from either roland or you. Got it. |
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:54:55 +0100 John Williamson wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:36, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:52:34 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: If a third [approximately] of all flights are generated by transfer passengers then all the maintenance and support (eg airline meals and baggage handling, and cleaning and fuelling and dispatch) for those flights creates work in the local economy. A trivial amount. Equivalent to about 20,000 full time jobs, mostly customers of local businesses, for an extra 5,000 full time jobs in local businesses. LOL, yes, I'm sure it says that in Heathrow Plcs strategy document. There's no such organisation. Now how about a link to some projections by a neutral 3rd party? Heathrow employs about 60,000 people, or the entire population of a small town, all of whom need entertainment, food and other services. Not to mention the 23 million or so passengers per year who will need feedingand other services, again supplied by local businesses. Trivial? Yes, because your projected figures are bull****. Those figures are at least credible. You have no figures at all. You just have your paranoia about flying, that overwhelms your limited reasoning ability. Give some examples then of routes that will be used by transfer passengers but not in any significant amount by locals. It's a marginal problem. Some destinations aren't worth flying to with either the transfer passengers or the local passengers as the sole load. Add the two together, and you have a full plane which makes a profit, as against two part full ones, neither of which is profitable. It costs almost the same to fly empty as full. So currently no actual examples from either roland or you. Got it. Why would people bother researching things for an imbecile incapable of understanding anything? |
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Plan to pedestrianise London's Oxford Street scrapped
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:43:28 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:54:55 +0100 John Williamson wrote: On 11/06/2018 14:36, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:52:34 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: If a third [approximately] of all flights are generated by transfer passengers then all the maintenance and support (eg airline meals and baggage handling, and cleaning and fuelling and dispatch) for those flights creates work in the local economy. A trivial amount. Equivalent to about 20,000 full time jobs, mostly customers of local businesses, for an extra 5,000 full time jobs in local businesses. LOL, yes, I'm sure it says that in Heathrow Plcs strategy document. There's no such organisation. There's no such organisation as UK Plc either. Its a figure of speech you cretin. Yes, because your projected figures are bull****. Those figures are at least credible. You have no figures at all. You just Are they? Lets seem some links to them then. So currently no actual examples from either roland or you. Got it. Why would people bother researching things for an imbecile incapable of understanding anything? Good point, I guess thats why no one is backing up your position. |
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