How many employees per gate do London's airports have?
 

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:30:37 AM UTC+5:30, John Williamson wrote:
On 28/06/2018 21:43, Roland Perry wrote:

It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with "per departure".

And the number there is roughly a thousand passengers per staff member
per year, or, to put it another way, each person working at the airport
handles the equivalent of just under three passengers per day, ignoring
freight, which accounts for, at a guess, a quarter of the staff.

1000/ employee/ year if you count passengers twice - when they arrive
and when they depart. For a passenger who both arrives and departs to
have to support 2/3rds of an employee's daily wage seems expensive.
That was the reason for the OP.

I wondered how many passengers per employee were handled by other
airports. Take Stansted airport. I paid 27 pounds to fly from Stansted
to Szczecin on Ryanair. How is the ticket so cheap if it has to cover
a substantial fraction of a worker's daily wage?

How many employees per gate do London's airports have?
 

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 3:23:01 AM UTC+5:30, Ding Bat wrote:
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:30:37 AM UTC+5:30, John Williamson wrote:
On 28/06/2018 21:43, Roland Perry wrote:

It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with
"per departure".

And the number there is roughly a thousand passengers per staff member
per year, or, to put it another way, each person working at the airport
handles the equivalent of just under three passengers per day, ignoring
freight, which accounts for, at a guess, a quarter of the staff.

1000/ employee/ year if you count passengers twice - when they arrive
and when they depart. For a passenger who both arrives and departs to
have to support 2/3rds of an employee's daily wage seems expensive.
That was the reason for the OP.

I wondered how many passengers per employee were handled by other
airports. Take Stansted airport. I paid 27 pounds to fly from Stansted
to Szczecin on Ryanair. How is the ticket so cheap if it has to cover
a substantial fraction of a worker's daily wage?

FWIW, there's this USA Today article:

How many people does it take to run an airport?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...yees/82385558/

63,000 people work at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. In that count, ATL includes airline, ground transportation, concessionaire, security, federal government, City of Atlanta and airport tenant employees.

That count doesn’t include workers for the courtesy vehicles for airport-area hotels, rental car companies and private parking lots; nor the drivers of public transportation such as taxis, door-to-door shuttle vans, long-distance buses, etc.

How many employees per gate do London's airports have?
 

Ding Bat wrote:
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:30:37 AM UTC+5:30, John Williamson wrote:
On 28/06/2018 21:43, Roland Perry wrote:

It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with "per departure".

And the number there is roughly a thousand passengers per staff member
per year, or, to put it another way, each person working at the airport
handles the equivalent of just under three passengers per day, ignoring
freight, which accounts for, at a guess, a quarter of the staff.

1000/ employee/ year if you count passengers twice - when they arrive
and when they depart. For a passenger who both arrives and departs to
have to support 2/3rds of an employee's daily wage seems expensive.
That was the reason for the OP.

I wondered how many passengers per employee were handled by other
airports. Take Stansted airport. I paid 27 pounds to fly from Stansted
to Szczecin on Ryanair. How is the ticket so cheap if it has to cover
a substantial fraction of a worker's daily wage?

Stansted, like Heathrow, has a lot of freight, and none of its costs are
covered by passenger fares.

Heathrow airlines tend to provide more luxuries than Ryanair (some included
in the fare, some not, but still needing staff). For example, Heathrow has
numerous staffed first and business class lounges, at least 25 in all. It
has more manned check-ins per thousand pax. Stansted has few such
facilities. Nor does it have branches of Harrods, Gordon Ramsay
restaurants, etc.

Heathrow has many long haul flights, that need more catering and other
amenities.

These are Heathrow's charges:

https://www.heathrow.com/file_source/Company/Static/PDF/Partnersandsuppliers/HAL-Conditions-of-Use-Amendment-SCHEDULE5-Up_date-25April2014.pdf

As you can see, it explains why you don't find Ryanair, or Ryanair-style
fares, at Heathrow.

How many employees per gate do London's airports have?
 

John Williamson wrote:
On 28/06/2018 21:43, Roland Perry wrote:

It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with "per departure".

And the number there is roughly a thousand passengers per staff member
per year, or, to put it another way, each person working at the airport
handles the equivalent of just under three passengers per day, ignoring
freight, which accounts for, at a guess, a quarter of the staff.


Each passenger, on average, probably uses the services of dozens of those
staff, even if they don't see them. For example, you don't see the baggage
handlers, ATC, cooks, CCTV operators, etc.

How many employees per gate do London's airports have?
 

In message , at
14:50:57 on Thu, 28 Jun 2018, Ding Bat
remarked:
It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with "per departure".

And the number there is roughly a thousand passengers per staff member
per year, or, to put it another way, each person working at the airport
handles the equivalent of just under three passengers per day, ignoring
freight, which accounts for, at a guess, a quarter of the staff.

1000/ employee/ year if you count passengers twice - when they arrive
and when they depart. For a passenger who both arrives and departs to
have to support 2/3rds of an employee's daily wage seems expensive.
That was the reason for the OP.

What you are forgetting is that the workers are only on-shift a fifth of
the time, so the actual number of passengers handled by each person is
fifteen per shift. (It's a bit of an artificial number because let's say
the x-ray machine operatives are handing many more than that).

I wondered how many passengers per employee were handled by other
airports. Take Stansted airport. I paid 27 pounds to fly from Stansted
to Szczecin on Ryanair. How is the ticket so cheap if it has to cover
a substantial fraction of a worker's daily wage?

The wages are paid from more than just the basic fares box, some of the
baggage handlers will be paid from the drip-down of the extra fees
airlines charge for checked bags, for example. Also the *average* fare
for your Ryanair trip is going to be much higher than the bargain ticket
you bought, and it's the long term average fares box which matters.

Then there's the rents of the shops, paid for by passengers buying
things/hiring cars/changing cash, which feeds through to the airport as
more revenue for all of their wages bill; in the same area advertising
revenue from bill boards within the airport; add to that car parking and
drop-off fees, and tolls for shuttle buses and maybe even taxis.
--
Roland Perry

How many employees per gate do London's airports have?
 

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 04:08:33 on Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Recliner
remarked:
Ding Bat wrote:
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:30:37 AM UTC+5:30, John Williamson wrote:
On 28/06/2018 21:43, Roland Perry wrote:

It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with "per departure".

And the number there is roughly a thousand passengers per staff member
per year, or, to put it another way, each person working at the airport
handles the equivalent of just under three passengers per day, ignoring
freight, which accounts for, at a guess, a quarter of the staff.

1000/ employee/ year if you count passengers twice - when they arrive
and when they depart. For a passenger who both arrives and departs to
have to support 2/3rds of an employee's daily wage seems expensive.
That was the reason for the OP.

I wondered how many passengers per employee were handled by other
airports. Take Stansted airport. I paid 27 pounds to fly from Stansted
to Szczecin on Ryanair. How is the ticket so cheap if it has to cover
a substantial fraction of a worker's daily wage?

Stansted, like Heathrow, has a lot of freight, and none of its costs are
covered by passenger fares.

Heathrow airlines tend to provide more luxuries than Ryanair (some included
in the fare, some not, but still needing staff). For example, Heathrow has
numerous staffed first and business class lounges, at least 25 in all. It
has more manned check-ins per thousand pax. Stansted has few such
facilities. Nor does it have branches of Harrods,

http://www.harrodsaviation.com/stansted.html

Gordon Ramsay restaurants, etc.

Joking apart, Stansted has several "overpriced franchise" retail and
catering outlets though.

https://www.stansted-airport-guide.co.uk/shops.html
http://www.stanstedairport.com/at-th...t/restaurants/

James Martin is the new Gordon Ramsay, perhaps?

Heathrow has many long haul flights, that need more catering and other
amenities.

These are Heathrow's charges:

https://www.heathrow.com/file_source...artnersandsupp
liers/HAL-Conditions-of-Use-Amendment-SCHEDULE5-Up_date-25April2014.pdf

As you can see, it explains why you don't find Ryanair, or Ryanair-style
fares, at Heathrow.

--
Roland Perry