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Heathrow Airport is one of the largest employment sites in London with over 76,600 people working within the Airport boundary creating gross value added (GVA) of almost £3.3 billion
http://www.airpor****ch.org.uk/2014/...-charge-rises/

With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150 employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.

Where are all these employees? I haven't noticed anywhere near 150 employees per gate.

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:07:24 -0700 (PDT), Ding Bat
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Heathrow Airport is one of the largest employment sites in London with over 76,600 people working within the Airport boundary creating gross value added (GVA) of almost 3.3 billion
http://www.airpor****ch.org.uk/2014/...-charge-rises/

With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150 employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.

Where are all these employees? I haven't noticed anywhere near 150 employees per gate.


My guess would be at least 3 shifts but that doesn't really answer
your question.

The total probably includes cargo handling staff (the BA site is on
the south side adjacent to T4), maintenance staff (who will work in
the hangars by Hatton Cross and also on the ramps). Then there's
customs and immigration (some customs people will be in cargo), Post
Office, terminal cleaners, air traffic controllers in the tower,
police, shops staff in the terminals, security (also includes people
who search aircraft before boarding to ensure nothing untoward is
leaft on board), fire and rescue (the airport equipment), aircraft
cleaners, fuellers, aircraft toilet tanker drivers, water tanker
drivers, catering staff both preparing and loading food. At least
one of the BA hangars has offices on top, checkin, people to maintain
the various electricals, computers, comms kit (you'd be amazed how
much of that there is). The car park attendants and bus drivers.

The point is that a lot of the staff are hidden!
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On 28/06/2018 12:07, Ding Bat wrote:
Heathrow Airport is one of the largest employment sites in London with over 76,600 people working within the Airport boundary creating gross value added (GVA) of almost £3.3 billion
http://www.airpor****ch.org.uk/2014/...-charge-rises/

With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150 employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.


More likely three shifts.


Where are all these employees? I haven't noticed anywhere near 150 employees per gate.


Check in, Security, shopping, catering, ATC, luggage handling, aircraft
handling aircraft maintenance, building maintenance, plumbers,
electricians, passport control - sorry border control, ATC, cleaners,
parking control, customs, fuelling operators, information, car hire, and
so it goes on.

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In message , at 14:40:07 on Thu, 28 Jun
2018, Graeme Wall remarked:

With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150
employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.


More likely three shifts.


Working time directive (yes, I know, people voted to rid ourselves of
such Brussels imposed Curly Banana Republic red tape) converges on
approximately a 37hr week for 52 minus 6 weeks of the year.

That's 37*46=1700hrs a year, from which one has to subtract an allowance
for sick days and training. Let's say 1500/yr

If Heathrow operates 20hrs a day (allowing for after-midnight finish and
4am start), 365 days a year that's 7300.

Which if every job function was on duty the whole time gives 4.8 sets of
employees. Let's call it 4x for the purposes of the debate.
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:40:07 on Thu, 28 Jun
2018, Graeme Wall remarked:

With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150
employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.


More likely three shifts.


Working time directive (yes, I know, people voted to rid ourselves of
such Brussels imposed Curly Banana Republic red tape) converges on
approximately a 37hr week for 52 minus 6 weeks of the year.

That's 37*46=1700hrs a year, from which one has to subtract an allowance
for sick days and training. Let's say 1500/yr

If Heathrow operates 20hrs a day (allowing for after-midnight finish and
4am start), 365 days a year that's 7300.

Which if every job function was on duty the whole time gives 4.8 sets of
employees. Let's call it 4x for the purposes of the debate.


Yes, that's probably a good estimate.

Of course many jobs really are around the clock, even if no planes are
flying: maintenance, ATC, security, catering kitchens. I think the
terminals also remain open 24x7.



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On 28/06/2018 15:18, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:40:07 on Thu, 28 Jun
2018, Graeme Wall remarked:

*With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150
employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.


More likely three shifts.


Working time directive (yes, I know, people voted to rid ourselves of
such Brussels imposed Curly Banana Republic red tape) converges on
approximately a 37hr week for 52 minus 6 weeks of the year.

That's 37*46=1700hrs a year, from which one has to subtract an allowance
for sick days and training. Let's say 1500/yr

If Heathrow operates 20hrs a day (allowing for after-midnight finish and
4am start), 365 days a year that's 7300.

Which if every job function was on duty the whole time gives 4.8 sets of
employees. Let's call it 4x for the purposes of the debate.


A lot of jobs will function 24 hours a day even though aircraft won't be
flying all the time so your 4.8, rounded to 5 is probably closer to reality.

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:07:24 -0700 (PDT), Ding Bat
wrote:

Heathrow Airport is one of the largest employment sites in London with over 76,600 people working within the Airport boundary creating gross value added (GVA) of almost £3.3 billion
http://www.airpor****ch.org.uk/2014/...-charge-rises/

With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150 employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.


Each employee works an avreage of five shifts per week, but with two
shifts per day, there are 14 shifts in a week. And then there are
annual leave, sick leave, and so on. So a lot less than 150 per gate
per shift.

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:40:07 on Thu, 28 Jun
2018, Graeme Wall remarked:

With 231 gates, that's over 300 employees per gate or over 150
employees per gate per shift assuming an average of 2 shifts.


More likely three shifts.


Working time directive (yes, I know, people voted to rid ourselves of
such Brussels imposed Curly Banana Republic red tape) converges on
approximately a 37hr week for 52 minus 6 weeks of the year.

That's 37*46=1700hrs a year, from which one has to subtract an allowance
for sick days and training. Let's say 1500/yr

If Heathrow operates 20hrs a day (allowing for after-midnight finish and
4am start), 365 days a year that's 7300.

Which if every job function was on duty the whole time gives 4.8 sets of
employees. Let's call it 4x for the purposes of the debate.


One other thought: Heathrow handles a lot of freight, as well as
passengers. Freight doesn't use passenger gates, so calculations of
staff/gate are essentially meaningless.

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In message , at 21:56:24 on
Thu, 28 Jun 2018, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked:

Each employee works an avreage of five shifts per week, but with two
shifts per day, there are 14 shifts in a week.


If shifts are 12hrs, and people work five, that's 60hrs which seems
excessive.

And then there are annual leave, sick leave, and so on. So a lot less
than 150 per gate


It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with "per
departure".
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On 28/06/2018 21:43, Roland Perry wrote:

It's not about gates, as people have said. More to do with "per departure".


And the number there is roughly a thousand passengers per staff member
per year, or, to put it another way, each person working at the airport
handles the equivalent of just under three passengers per day, ignoring
freight, which accounts for, at a guess, a quarter of the staff.

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