In article , Ian Jelf
writes
By the way, anecdotal evidence suggested that people in wheelchairs
travel free on TfL buses. But none of the drivers (nor one inspector)
were absolutely sure and I couldn't find it written down anywhere. One
driver even said he thought that one helper was carried free as well.
Ideas anyone?

The other day I boarded a bus and the leaflet rack behind the driver
held booklets entitled "A staff guide to ticketing on London's buses"
dated January 2004 (on the back it has the code TfL2586.11.03).

Page 23: Disabled Persons' freedom pass [...] Allows free travel on all
bus services within Greater London, and on a number of bus services
beyond Greater London, operated as part of the London bus network; at
all times.

Page 26: *Any* passenger in a wheelchair can travel free, at any time,
on wheelchair accessible buses. On dual-door vehicles, where the
wheelchair ramp is fitted at the middle doors, passengers in wheelchairs
*must* board/alight through the middle doors only. Only one wheelchair
may be carried at a time. [Emphasis in original.]

Page 26: Other concessionary travel arrangements [...] In certain cases
the pass also allows a companion to travel at concessionary rate - this
is also shown clearly on the pass.

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Two notes on photographs. Firstly, some passes for blind people require
a photocard with no photo, while others require a normal photo.

Secondly, to quote page 20:

Any female passenger wearing a Burqa or Yashmak can hold a valid
Photocard, that shows the face similarly covered, to support a valid Bus
Pass, Travelcard or LT Card.

Under *no* circumstances should a female passenger be asked to uncover
her face or be refused travel when holding a valid ticket supported by
such a Photocard.

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On 9/4/04 8:57 am, in article , "Clive D.
W. Feather" wrote:

In article , Ian Jelf
writes
By the way, anecdotal evidence suggested that people in wheelchairs
travel free on TfL buses. But none of the drivers (nor one inspector)
were absolutely sure and I couldn't find it written down anywhere. One
driver even said he thought that one helper was carried free as well.
Ideas anyone?

The other day I boarded a bus and the leaflet rack behind the driver
held booklets entitled "A staff guide to ticketing on London's buses"
dated January 2004 (on the back it has the code TfL2586.11.03).

Page 23: Disabled Persons' freedom pass [...] Allows free travel on all
bus services within Greater London, and on a number of bus services
beyond Greater London, operated as part of the London bus network; at
all times.

Page 26: *Any* passenger in a wheelchair can travel free, at any time,
on wheelchair accessible buses. On dual-door vehicles, where the
wheelchair ramp is fitted at the middle doors, passengers in wheelchairs
*must* board/alight through the middle doors only. Only one wheelchair
may be carried at a time. [Emphasis in original.]



Does anybody why wheelchair users are allowed to travel for free?

Actually, before you do, let me make one thing clear - I am all for making
travel in London more accessible for wheelchair-bound and disabled people. I
think we all agree on this point - why should they be discriminated against?

But I have a problem with the fact that they are allowed to travel free? Is
this not rather discriminatory in itself?


Steve.

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:42:12 GMT, Steve wrote:
Does anybody why wheelchair users are allowed to travel for free?

I imagine it's rather hard or time-consuming for the driver to
get out, walk to the wheelchair space in the middle of the bus,
ask for a ticket, and return to the driving seat. Particularly
if the bus is busy with standing customers between the driver
and the middle doors. It's probably easier just to take them.

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Steve wrote the following in:


Does anybody why wheelchair users are allowed to travel for free?

Actually, before you do, let me make one thing clear - I am all
for making travel in London more accessible for wheelchair-bound
and disabled people. I think we all agree on this point - why
should they be discriminated against?

But I have a problem with the fact that they are allowed to travel
free? Is this not rather discriminatory in itself?

The idea of a lot of accomodations for disabled people is that they put
the disabled person in question on a 'level playing field'. For example
a person who has difficulty writing by hand would be allowed to use a
computer to type in an exam. This is because it makes their ability to
write in the exam equal with that of a person who has no difficulty
writing by hand. For wheelchair users, getting around is an inherently
more expensive and difficult business requiring specialist equipment
like wheelchairs or, for example, adaptations to cars (although I don't
really know a great deal about the subject). By making travel on public
transport free that helps make them equal with people who do not have
to bear the extra costs associated with travel for wheelchair users.

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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:42:12 GMT, Steve wrote:


Does anybody why wheelchair users are allowed to travel for free?

Actually, before you do, let me make one thing clear - I am all for making
travel in London more accessible for wheelchair-bound and disabled people. I
think we all agree on this point - why should they be discriminated against?

But I have a problem with the fact that they are allowed to travel free? Is
this not rather discriminatory in itself?


I suspect that *most* wheelchair passengers would be entitled to a
normal TfL disabled pass.

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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message
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The other day I boarded a bus and the leaflet rack
behind the driver held booklets entitled "A staff
guide to ticketing on London's buses"

to quote page 20:

Any female passenger wearing a Burqa or Yashmak
can hold a valid Photocard, that shows the face
similarly covered, to support a valid Bus
Pass, Travelcard or LT Card.

Under *no* circumstances should a female passenger
be asked to uncover her face or be refused travel
when holding a valid ticket supported by such a Photocard.

However, she may be asked to uncover her vagina to prove she is female... I
don't think they've thought that one out.

Does it say anything about certain Amerindian tribes, who refuse to be
photographed because they believe that a camera takes away part of their
soul?

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