My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is
opening next year. The line is being split in September to facilatate
work with trains from the south terminating at Kings Cross Thameslink(
a crossover is being constructed) or Blackfriars. Trains from the
north will run into the new part of St Pncras being constructed on
it's east side. I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains
open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful
connections to the Underground which the new station will not have.
Although they will be a quite near each other the distance will still
be further then between Blackfriars and City Thameslink. Though Kings
Cross Thameslink will have to close if train lengths ever got
increased to 12, nevertheless while the whole Thameslink 2000 project
remains in abeyance they should not close the station.

Martin


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"Heliomass" wrote in message


I was thinking today, what is going to happen to the existing Kings Cross
Thameslink when the new underground St. Pancras station opens?

Blown off the face of the earth I hope.

It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of
facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using
it.

If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is
presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station
will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be
authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened.

I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it.

--
Nick

Martin Whelton wrote:
My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is
opening next year. The line is being split in September to
facilatate
work with trains from the south terminating at Kings Cross
Thameslink(
a crossover is being constructed) or Blackfriars. Trains from the
north will run into the new part of St Pncras being constructed on
it's east side. I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains
open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful
connections to the Underground which the new station will not have.

Which useful connections to LU will St Pancras Thameslink "not have"?
Or are you just saying that some will be less convenient?

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Martin Whelton" wrote in message
om...

I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains
open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful
connections to the Underground which the new station will not have.
Although they will be a quite near each other the distance will still
be further then between Blackfriars and City Thameslink. Though Kings
Cross Thameslink will have to close if train lengths ever got
increased to 12, nevertheless while the whole Thameslink 2000 project
remains in abeyance they should not close the station.

Faringdon is a far better interchange with LU. The odds are that you can get
from there to where you want to be quicker than walking from the new
Thameslink St Pancras station.
--
Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society
75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm
E-mail:
URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

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(Terry Harper) wrote:

"Martin Whelton" wrote in message
om...

I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains
open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful
connections to the Underground which the new station will not have.
Although they will be a quite near each other the distance will still
be further then between Blackfriars and City Thameslink. Though Kings
Cross Thameslink will have to close if train lengths ever got
increased to 12, nevertheless while the whole Thameslink 2000 project
remains in abeyance they should not close the station.

Faringdon is a far better interchange with LU. The odds are that you
can get from there to where you want to be quicker than walking from the
new Thameslink St Pancras station.

Not from where I sit. Links from Thameslink to WAGN will not be easier as
far as I can see. However, unless they improve Thameslink cross-London
transit times it will still be quicker to go to Victoria and take the
Victoria Line to the Cross. Rather undermines the point of Thameslink.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

Faringdon is a far better interchange with LU. The odds are that you
can get from there to where you want to be quicker than walking from the
new Thameslink St Pancras station.

Not from where I sit. Links from Thameslink to WAGN will not be easier as
far as I can see. However, unless they improve Thameslink cross-London
transit times it will still be quicker to go to Victoria and take the
Victoria Line to the Cross. Rather undermines the point of Thameslink.

Well, coming from the south, get off at Faringdon, over the bridge, next LU
train to KX, nip up the stairs and you are in the concourse. Coming from the
north, cross to the opposite face of the platform and do the same. Compared
with a long trek and awkward road crossings it wins for me. If you have
luggage, even more so.
--
Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society
75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm
E-mail:
URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

Faringdon is a far better interchange with LU. The odds are that you
can get from there to where you want to be quicker than walking
from the new Thameslink St Pancras station.

Not from where I sit. Links from Thameslink to WAGN will not be
easier as far as I can see. However, unless they improve Thameslink
cross-London transit times it will still be quicker to go to Victoria
and take the Victoria Line to the Cross. Rather undermines the point
of Thameslink.

Well, coming from the south, get off at Faringdon, over the bridge,
next LU train to KX, nip up the stairs and you are in the concourse.
Coming from the north, cross to the opposite face of the platform and do
the same. Compared with a long trek and awkward road crossings it wins
for me. If you have luggage, even more so.

YMMV then. Still takes rather longer than using Victoria.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Martin Whelton" wrote in message
om

My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is
opening next year. The line is being split in September to facilatate

Incorrect.

The new SP TL station is not due to be opened until 2007.

All that is being done for now is building the station box.

TL trains on re-instatemnt of the through route after the current
planned service split revert to situation as it is now.

--
Nick


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I was thinking today, what is going to happen to the existing Kings Cross
Thameslink when the new underground St. Pancras station opens?

Blown off the face of the earth I hope.

It has to be the worst station on the UK rail network in terms of
facilities and environment in relation to the number of passengers using
it.

If I understood a recent Modern Railways itme correctly, there is
presently some doubt as to whether or not the new KX-SP-CTRL station
will be completed ahead of TL2000 works. As the latter has yet to be
authorised, I interpreted that as it may not be opened.

I hope thats either wrong or I mis-read it.

--
Nick
Martin Whelton wrote:
My understanding is that the new St Pancras Thameslink station is
opening next year. The line is being split in September to facilatate
work with trains from the south terminating at Kings Cross Thameslink(
a crossover is being constructed) or Blackfriars. Trains from the
north will run into the new part of St Pncras being constructed on
it's east side. I for one hope that Kings Cross Thameslink remains
open when St Pancras Thamselink station opens as it provides useful
connections to the Underground which the new station will not have.
Although they will be a quite near each other the distance will still
be further then between Blackfriars and City Thameslink. Though Kings
Cross Thameslink will have to close if train lengths ever got
increased to 12, nevertheless while the whole Thameslink 2000 project
remains in abeyance they should not close the station.

Martin

Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink
remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office
will have to - but will it be transferred to LU?

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink
remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office
will have to - but will it be transferred to LU?

Why should they be transferred?

Robin Mayes wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...


Here's a thought - will the ticket office at King's Cross Thameslink
remain open? I suppose the subway is staying open so the ticket office
will have to - but will it be transferred to LU?


Why should they be transferred?

Because won't Thameslink have a completely new ticket office at St
Pancras Midland Road? Would there be any point in them running that
office at Pentonville Road when that entrance will only be particularly
useful for the Victoria Line?

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London