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Continuing earlier discussion about these kinds of route:

I've just heard from someone who ended up at the anti-clockwise Circle
platform at Liverpool St with a heavy bag that they couldn't get across
to the other side (where it's then possible to access the main
concourse). They were advised to take a train to KX and do a
cross-platform change and come back to LS on the other side. I've never
heard that variant before!

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"Roland Perry" wrote...


I've just heard from someone who ended up at the anti-clockwise Circle
platform at Liverpool St with a heavy bag that they couldn't get across
to the other side (where it's then possible to access the main
concourse). They were advised to take a train to KX and do a
cross-platform change and come back to LS on the other side. I've never
heard that variant before!


Who advised them? A member of LUL station staff? If so, why didn't the
staff member offer to help them carry the case over the stairs?

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In message , Solar Pennguin
writes
Who advised them? A member of LUL station staff?

Yes, but it's not clear from the report if this was before or after
getting to the other side.

If so, why didn't the
staff member offer to help them carry the case over the stairs?

In the event, a fellow passenger came to the rescue. (Apparently there
were altogether four passengers, individually not a group, in the same
predicament. LUL could end up with a full-time porter there!)
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:27:11 +0100, "Solar Pennguin"
wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote...


I've just heard from someone who ended up at the anti-clockwise Circle
platform at Liverpool St with a heavy bag that they couldn't get across
to the other side (where it's then possible to access the main
concourse). They were advised to take a train to KX and do a
cross-platform change and come back to LS on the other side. I've never
heard that variant before!


Who advised them? A member of LUL station staff? If so, why didn't the
staff member offer to help them carry the case over the stairs?


Are they allowed to? When I was in hospital I was interested to note
that nurses can no longer lift patients. They have to use this big
winch!
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In article , Roland Perry
writes
They were advised to take a train to KX and do a cross-platform change
and come back to LS on the other side. I've never heard that variant
before!

I thought I'd suggested it at one point.

KXSP, Gloucester Road, and South Kensington are the three stations where
you can do this.

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In article , Solar Pennguin
writes
Who advised them? A member of LUL station staff? If so, why didn't the
staff member offer to help them carry the case over the stairs?

If he injured his back because of the weight of the bag, he may well not
be covered by LUL insurance. That's a common reason for staff to be told
not to do this.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:38:22 +0100, Cheeky wrote:
Who advised them? A member of LUL station staff? If so, why didn't the
staff member offer to help them carry the case over the stairs?


Are they allowed to? When I was in hospital I was interested to note
that nurses can no longer lift patients. They have to use this big
winch!

Exactly. In supermarkets, staff helpfully pack my bags for me.
They pack some too heavy for me to lift and then won't lift them
into the trolley for me because they aren't allowed. Doh!

I always refuse to lift in the workplace because I know I can't
lift safely (i.e. with knees bent) and one of the H&S rules is
to take responsibility for your own safety. Perhaps there is a
reason along these lines for which employees in various situations
are advised not to lift.


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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Roland Perry
writes

They were advised to take a train to KX and do a cross-platform change
and come back to LS on the other side. I've never heard that variant
before!


I thought I'd suggested it at one point.

KXSP, Gloucester Road, and South Kensington are the three stations where
you can do this.


Isn't is also possible at Edgware Road to get off any eastbound train
and take the next westbound Wimbleware from across the platform? Or does
this only apply at some times of day?

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In message , Dave Arquati
writes
Isn't is also possible at Edgware Road to get off any eastbound train
and take the next westbound Wimbleware from across the platform? Or
does this only apply at some times of day?

I think you will be able to get *some* westbound train most of the day.
Obviously you can't do this the other way around, as you might end up
eastbound into the wrong platform.

Then there's the other way of changing platforms without stairs -
escalators up and down. Like at City Thameslink. Are there any Circle
Line stations that allow a twin-escalator [or lift] change of direction?

Westminster springs to mind.
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In article , Dave Arquati
writes
Isn't is also possible at Edgware Road to get off any eastbound train

Normally. Very occasionally an eastbound will use platform 3 (on the
westbound island).

and take the next westbound Wimbleware from across the platform?

It might not be the *next* one - normal service is for Wimbleware trains
to reverse alternately in the two centre platforms while Circle and
Hammersmiths use the outer platforms.

The same situation applies at Aldgate (except that the buffer stops
ensure that the centre platforms aren't used by through trains). And if
you were lucky you could get an eastbound District that was reversing at
Tower Hill or Mansion House.

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In article , Roland Perry
writes
Then there's the other way of changing platforms without stairs -
escalators up and down. Like at City Thameslink. Are there any Circle
Line stations that allow a twin-escalator [or lift] change of direction?

Westminster springs to mind.

Westminster. Sloane Square.

Oh, cheating slightly, but Paddington (H&C) has a centre platform, so
you can do a west-to-east reversal there.

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Roland Perry
writes
Then there's the other way of changing platforms without stairs -
escalators up and down. Like at City Thameslink. Are there any
Circle Line stations that allow a twin-escalator [or lift] change
of direction?

Westminster springs to mind.

Westminster. Sloane Square.

You can't change direction at Sloane Square without using stairs. There
is only one escalator on each platform, normally going up. Actually at
present, the eastbound platform's escalator is not working, and is in
use as fixed stairs (down).

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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
And if you were lucky you could get an eastbound District that was
reversing at Tower Hill or Mansion House.

Of course, if you are getting a train that is reversing (at Aldgate,
Tower Hill, Mansion House, High St Ken, Edgware Rd; as well as the more
obvious termini further out) that is another and rather direct means to
change direction...

The main sticking point for a Gatwick/Stansted transfer seems to be
getting onto/off the Circle from the Gatwick direction. Perhaps Waterloo
is the salvation here. Thameslink London Bridge, then Waterloo East,
Jubilee, Westminster, Circle. Does anyone know if the direct link from
Waterloo East to Southwark is stair-less, or will it require going via
the main station concourse?

[You can do Thameslink to Jubilee at London Bridge without stairs, but
it's a very long trek].
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In article , Richard J.
writes
You can't change direction at Sloane Square without using stairs. There
is only one escalator on each platform, normally going up.

Duh, I knew that.

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In article , Roland Perry
writes
And if you were lucky you could get an eastbound District that was
reversing at Tower Hill or Mansion House.
Of course, if you are getting a train that is reversing (at Aldgate,
Tower Hill, Mansion House, High St Ken, Edgware Rd; as well as the more
obvious termini further out)

I've restricted this present sub-thread to the Circle, ignoring stations
like Royal Oak and Gunnersbury.

that is another and rather direct means to change direction...

Oh, indeed.

Unless the train is going out of service at that point.

The main sticking point for a Gatwick/Stansted transfer seems to be
getting onto/off the Circle from the Gatwick direction. Perhaps
Waterloo is the salvation here. Thameslink London Bridge, then Waterloo
East, Jubilee, Westminster, Circle. Does anyone know if the direct link
from Waterloo East to Southwark is stair-less, or will it require going
via the main station concourse?

The latter - there are stairs down from the platforms to the barrier
line.

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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote the
following in:

In article ,
Richard J. writes
You can't change direction at Sloane Square without using stairs.
There is only one escalator on each platform, normally going up.

Duh, I knew that.

Then why did you suggest it as a place where you can change direction
using lifts or escalators?

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In article , Robin May
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You can't change direction at Sloane Square without using stairs.
There is only one escalator on each platform, normally going up.
Duh, I knew that.
Then why did you suggest it as a place where you can change direction
using lifts or escalators?

Um, the "Duh" was aimed at *me*.

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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote the
following in:

In article ,
Robin May writes
You can't change direction at Sloane Square without using
stairs. There is only one escalator on each platform, normally
going up.
Duh, I knew that.
Then why did you suggest it as a place where you can change
direction using lifts or escalators?

Um, the "Duh" was aimed at *me*.

Ah, I geddit now.

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In article ,
(Dave Arquati) wrote:

Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Roland Perry
writes

They were advised to take a train to KX and do a cross-platform
change and come back to LS on the other side. I've never heard that
variant before!

I thought I'd suggested it at one point.

KXSP, Gloucester Road, and South Kensington are the three stations
where you can do this.

Isn't is also possible at Edgware Road to get off any eastbound train
and take the next westbound Wimbleware from across the platform? Or
does this only apply at some times of day?

Only if you're lucky. I was a bit dischuffed to arrive there on a District
train on the way from East Putney to King's Cross with a bike and the
train terminated on the Westbound platform. We had to hump the bike over
the bridge and missed the waiting H&C train.

The inner Eastbound platform has been used for outer rail Circle trains
the last two times I've been there.

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