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Ian Tindale May 4th 04 06:29 PM

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Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific subthread of:
From which DLR/LU stations can you see other stations from the platforms?

And, if there's a successive run of them in any cases, I wonder what's the
longest journey of these you can have?
--
Ian Tindale

Annabel Smyth May 4th 04 08:16 PM

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On Tue, 4 May 2004 at 19:29:44, Ian Tindale wrote:

Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific subthread of:
From which DLR/LU stations can you see other stations from the platforms?

And, if there's a successive run of them in any cases, I wonder what's the
longest journey of these you can have?


You can see Surrey Quays and Rotherhithe from Canada Water. And on the
DLR you can see West India Quay from Poplar (especially going East), and
All Saints (but that's actually just past Poplar, so probably doesn't
count). You can also see Canary Wharf (and, presumably, Poplar) from
West India Quay, and I think you can see it from Heron Quays as well,
although I'd not swear to that.

You can certainly see East India and Blackwall from each other. And I
think you can *just* see Shadwell from Tower Gateway, although I'd not
swear to it.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 8 March 2004

Roland Perry May 4th 04 08:56 PM

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In message , Ian Tindale
writes
Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific subthread of:
From which DLR/LU stations can you see other stations from the platforms?


I think you can see Covent Garden from one of the Leicester Square
platforms, and certainly Blackfriars from City Thameslink [stretching
"tube" a little]. In West London there are a couple of stations, perhaps
North Fields and South Ealing, that look closer than the length of a
train when you are stood on the platforms.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected] May 4th 04 11:15 PM

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In article ,
(Ian Tindale) wrote:

Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific subthread of:
From which DLR/LU stations can you see other stations from the
platforms?

And, if there's a successive run of them in any cases, I wonder what's
the
longest journey of these you can have?
--
Ian Tindale


West Finchley / Woodside Park

Kennington / Oval (from the front of the train, anyway)

Angel - City Road SB (but I suppose that doesn't count)

Goodge Street - Warren Street NB

Roger

John Rowland May 5th 04 12:54 AM

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

I think you can see Covent Garden from one
of the Leicester Square platforms,


No, I don't think you can.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
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A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes



Richard Jeeves May 5th 04 02:13 PM

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Ian Tindale wrote in message ...
Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific subthread of:
From which DLR/LU stations can you see other stations from the platforms?

And, if there's a successive run of them in any cases, I wonder what's the
longest journey of these you can have?


You can see Bow Road from Mile End if you walk to the eastern end of
the EB platfrom.

Annabel Smyth May 5th 04 05:30 PM

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On Tue, 4 May 2004 at 21:16:41, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

You can see Surrey Quays and Rotherhithe from Canada Water. And on the
DLR you can see West India Quay from Poplar (especially going East),


I was tired when I wrote that! I meant, of course, going WEST.

and
All Saints (but that's actually just past Poplar, so probably doesn't
count). You can also see Canary Wharf (and, presumably, Poplar) from
West India Quay, and I think you can see it from Heron Quays as well,
although I'd not swear to that.

You can certainly see East India and Blackwall from each other. And I
think you can *just* see Shadwell from Tower Gateway, although I'd not
swear to it.


You can't - I checked this morning. But I am pretty sure you can see
Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road main line stations from each
other.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 8 March 2004

Paul Weaver May 6th 04 07:57 AM

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Ian Tindale wrote in message ...
Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific subthread of:
From which DLR/LU stations can you see other stations from the platforms?



Shepherds Bush (H&C) - Goldhawk Road

Richard J. May 6th 04 09:49 AM

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , Ian
Tindale writes
Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific
subthread of: From which DLR/LU stations can you see other
stations from the platforms?


[...] In West London there are a couple of stations, perhaps
North Fields and South Ealing, that look closer than the
length of a train when you are stood on the platforms.


Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations, on the Piccadilly
Line. They are only 0.48km apart.

Also in West London, you can see Stamford Brook from Turnham Green.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)



John Rowland May 6th 04 10:39 AM

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"Richard J." wrote in message
...

Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations,
on the Piccadilly Line. They are only 0.48km apart.


Is that the distance between the station buildings? The platforms run
towards each other, so the nearest ends of the platforms must be only about
240 metres apart.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes



Brimstone May 6th 04 12:10 PM

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John Rowland wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
...

Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations,
on the Piccadilly Line. They are only 0.48km apart.


Is that the distance between the station buildings? The platforms run
towards each other, so the nearest ends of the platforms must be only
about 240 metres apart.


The space between the ends of the platform is 850 feet or 259 meters. Not a
bad guess.



Roland Perry May 6th 04 12:18 PM

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In message , John Rowland
writes
Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations,
on the Piccadilly Line. They are only 0.48km apart.


Is that the distance between the station buildings? The platforms run
towards each other, so the nearest ends of the platforms must be only about
240 metres apart.


My map shows the roads on which the station buildings are located as
590m apart. Multimaps aerial photo isn't as clear as it might be, but
seems to show the platform ends about 250m apart.

http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cg...550&y=179250&s
cale=5000
--
Roland Perry

MetroGnome May 6th 04 12:55 PM

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"Annabel Smyth" wrote:

You can also see Canary Wharf (and, presumably, Poplar) from
West India Quay, and I think you can see it from Heron Quays as well,
although I'd not swear to that.


When the DLR first opened in 1987, from the platforms at West India Quay you
could see Westferry, Canary Wharf [never-opened and being dismantled!],
Heron Quays, South Quay, and Poplar. The view to South Quay is now blocked,
and you can only just see Heron Quays by peering through Canary Wharf. On
the other hand, Canary Wharf and Blackwall have now opened and both are
visible. I'm not sure if you can still see Westferry, or if you can now see
East India.


--
MetroGnome
~~~~~~~~~~




Richard J. May 6th 04 01:44 PM

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John Rowland wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
...

Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations,
on the Piccadilly Line. They are only 0.48km apart.


Is that the distance between the station buildings? The platforms
run towards each other, so the nearest ends of the platforms must
be only about 240 metres apart.


It's the distance quoted in CULG, and is probably an official LUL
distance, but I can find nothing on the site which indicates where such
distances are measured from. Perhaps Clive can comment?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)


Roland Perry May 6th 04 02:05 PM

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In message , Richard J.
writes
Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations,
on the Piccadilly Line. They are only 0.48km apart.


Is that the distance between the station buildings? The platforms
run towards each other, so the nearest ends of the platforms must
be only about 240 metres apart.


It's the distance quoted in CULG, and is probably an official LUL
distance, but I can find nothing on the site which indicates where such
distances are measured from.


The middle of the platforms is the only thing that would make sense.

If the far ends are 600m apart (underneath the roads they cross), and
the near ends are 250m apart; then that would be 425m, which is close
enough (given errors in the other two estimates).
--
Roland Perry

Brimstone May 6th 04 02:43 PM

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , Richard
J. writes
Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations,
on the Piccadilly Line. They are only 0.48km apart.

Is that the distance between the station buildings? The platforms
run towards each other, so the nearest ends of the platforms must
be only about 240 metres apart.


It's the distance quoted in CULG, and is probably an official LUL
distance, but I can find nothing on the site which indicates where
such distances are measured from.


The middle of the platforms is the only thing that would make sense.

If the far ends are 600m apart (underneath the roads they cross), and
the near ends are 250m apart; then that would be 425m, which is close
enough (given errors in the other two estimates).


My earlier figure of 850 feet or 259 meters between platform ends comes from
an LT signalling diagram.



Roland Perry May 6th 04 03:02 PM

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In message , Brimstone
writes
My earlier figure of 850 feet or 259 meters between platform ends comes from
an LT signalling diagram.


So the other way to do the sums is to guess the platforms are 170m long
(room for 10 cars), which makes the middles 429m apart (and the ends
599m apart, which is exactly where the roads are).

480m doesn't fit that quite so well, unless the platforms are actually
even longer than that. Maybe someone can let us know if the platforms
extend under the roads at all.
--
Roland Perry

Brimstone May 6th 04 05:53 PM

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , Brimstone
writes
My earlier figure of 850 feet or 259 meters between platform ends
comes from an LT signalling diagram.


So the other way to do the sums is to guess the platforms are 170m
long (room for 10 cars), which makes the middles 429m apart (and the
ends 599m apart, which is exactly where the roads are).

480m doesn't fit that quite so well, unless the platforms are actually
even longer than that. Maybe someone can let us know if the platforms
extend under the roads at all.


Here's the diagram.

http://www.piccadillypilot.co.uk/bit...ing%201974.gif



Roland Perry May 6th 04 06:32 PM

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In message , Brimstone
writes
So the other way to do the sums is to guess the platforms are 170m
long (room for 10 cars), which makes the middles 429m apart (and the
ends 599m apart, which is exactly where the roads are).

480m doesn't fit that quite so well, unless the platforms are actually
even longer than that. Maybe someone can let us know if the platforms
extend under the roads at all.


Here's the diagram.

http://www.piccadillypilot.co.uk/bit...ing%201974.gif


Northfields 425ft = 129m
South Ealing 427ft = 130m
Gap 878ft = 268m
C2C 1255ft = 383m

Total length including both platforms = 527m
Gap + half of each platform = 398m

C2C = from most central point marked on each platform
--
Roland Perry

Clive D. W. Feather May 7th 04 05:40 AM

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In article , Richard J.
writes
Yes, Northfields and South Ealing are the stations,
on the Piccadilly Line. They are only 0.48km apart.


It's the distance quoted in CULG, and is probably an official LUL
distance, but I can find nothing on the site which indicates where such
distances are measured from. Perhaps Clive can comment?


Those are normally taken at the mid-point of the station, though termini
may be the buffer stops instead.

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Annabel Smyth May 7th 04 12:42 PM

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 at 13:55:28, MetroGnome
wrote:

"Annabel Smyth" wrote:

You can also see Canary Wharf (and, presumably, Poplar) from
West India Quay, and I think you can see it from Heron Quays as well,
although I'd not swear to that.


When the DLR first opened in 1987, from the platforms at West India Quay you
could see Westferry, Canary Wharf [never-opened and being dismantled!],
Heron Quays, South Quay, and Poplar. The view to South Quay is now blocked,
and you can only just see Heron Quays by peering through Canary Wharf. On
the other hand, Canary Wharf and Blackwall have now opened and both are
visible. I'm not sure if you can still see Westferry, or if you can now see
East India.


I wouldn't have thought you could see East India, as, while it's easy to
see Blackwall from E.I. (when waiting for an eastbound, you can see it
before it stops at Blackwall), you can only see E.I. from Blackwall when
you get there.

I remember them rebuilding Canary Wharf - but didn't they also rebuild
West India Quay at one stage, too? I have vague memories of them doing
so when I used to prowl round that area (amazing what you could do with
a small child an an ODTC!) in the late 1980s, early 1990s!
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 8 March 2004

Charlie Pearce May 7th 04 09:10 PM

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On Wed, 5 May 2004 18:30:23 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

On Tue, 4 May 2004 at 21:16:41, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

You can see Surrey Quays and Rotherhithe from Canada Water. And on the
DLR you can see West India Quay from Poplar (especially going East),


I was tired when I wrote that! I meant, of course, going WEST.


Surely it doesn't matter which way you're going, only which way you're
looking...? ;-)

Charlie

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u n d e r a c h i e v e r May 7th 04 10:49 PM

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On Tue, 04 May 2004 19:29:44 +0100, Ian Tindale wrote:
Okay, related to 'What to see on the tube', but a specific subthread of:
From which DLR/LU stations can you see other stations from the platforms?


You can see Finchley Road (Met & Jub) from the south end of the platforms at
West Hamstead (Jub).

--
u n d e r a c h i e v e r

Annabel Smyth May 8th 04 11:11 AM

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On Fri, 7 May 2004 at 21:10:10, Charlie Pearce
wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2004 18:30:23 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

On Tue, 4 May 2004 at 21:16:41, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

You can see Surrey Quays and Rotherhithe from Canada Water. And on the
DLR you can see West India Quay from Poplar (especially going East),


I was tired when I wrote that! I meant, of course, going WEST.


Surely it doesn't matter which way you're going, only which way you're
looking...? ;-)

Charlie

Actually, at Poplar it does, because the Eastbound platform is right on
the far side of the station from Canary Wharf - it's (I think) platform
4; platform 1 being Beckton-Tower Gateway (from which you can see West
India Quay and very nearly Canary Wharf), platform 2 is
Stratford-Crossharbour; platform 3 Crossharbour-Stratford and platform 4
Tower Gateway-Beckton. The track then goes up on to a flyover over the
Stratford tracks - and I think that the trains are timetabled such that
a Beckton-bound train and a Stratford-bound train often coincide at
Poplar, enabling a very quick interchange.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 8 March 2004


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