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Overground 378232 will debut on the 0648 Barking - Gospel Oak tomorrow.
Photos: https://mobile.twitter.com/cmpd_date...14271866798080 C. |
Boltar vindicated! TfL converted to Boltar's point of view! Let the
church bells ring out! I travelled in that 378 along GOBLIN today at 13.00. Very unusually, there were station staff on the platform and they advised passengers to move further down the platform as the train would be longer than normal. 387232 soon arrived and there were empty seats available! To prepare passengers for electric trains, the two car 172s will now come to a halt at the end of platforms even if the exit is at the other end. Clearly TfL expect the entire service to convert to EMUs sooner rather than later. It was a double first for me today. While waiting for the 378, two westbound freight trains in succession lumbered through Leyton Midland Road Station. I've never experienced that before. |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 15:10:40 +0000
Robin9 wrote: Boltar vindicated! TfL converted to Boltar's point of view! Let the church bells ring out! I travelled in that 378 along GOBLIN today at 13.00. I get no pleasure from it. Its our money these clowns have wasted on the 710 herd of white elephants. And apart from the dodgy software they're also fugly compared to the 378s. It was a double first for me today. While waiting for the 378, two westbound freight trains in succession lumbered through Leyton Midland Road Station. I've never experienced that before. Spend enough time at Highbury waiting for an ELL train to finally turn up and then wait 7 mins for it to reverse and you'll see plenty of freight trains go past. |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:44:08 +0000
Basil Jet wrote: On 29/01/2019 20:39, wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 15:10:40 +0000 Robin9 wrote: Boltar vindicated! TfL converted to Boltar's point of view! Let the church bells ring out! I travelled in that 378 along GOBLIN today at 13.00. I get no pleasure from it. Its our money these clowns have wasted on the 710 herd of white elephants. And apart from the dodgy software they're also fugly compared to the 378s. It was a double first for me today. While waiting for the 378, two westbound freight trains in succession lumbered through Leyton Midland Road Station. I've never experienced that before. Spend enough time at Highbury waiting for an ELL train to finally turn up and then wait 7 mins for it to reverse and you'll see plenty of freight trains go past. Oh good lord, now you're whining about the fact that trains have recovery time and don't need it because they're on time. When the East London Line moved from being a tube line to part of the overground we were promised a metro level service. So far they're failed to deliver. A 10 minute wait in the morning rush hour is NOT acceptable. As for turn around time - in many other countries a driver is waiting at the terminus for a train to arrive and he immediately takes over. Stepping back I believe its called. Turn around time about 1 minute. |
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In message , at 12:44:08 on Wed, 30 Jan
2019, Basil Jet remarked: Oh good lord, now you're whining about the fact that trains have recovery time and don't need it because they're on time. ___________________________ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please don't | / O O\__ feed | / \ the trolls | / \ \ | / _ \ \ ---------------------- / |\____\ \ || / | | | |\____/ || / \|_|_|/ | __|| / / \ |____| || / | | /| | --| | | |// |____ --| * _ | |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ // | / _ \\ _ // | / * / \_ /- | - | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________ -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:46:24 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:44:08 on Wed, 30 Jan 2019, Basil Jet remarked: Oh good lord, now you're whining about the fact that trains have recovery time and don't need it because they're on time. ___________________________ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please don't | / O O\__ feed | / \ the trolls | / \ \ | / _ \ \ ---------------------- / |\____\ \ || / | | | |\____/ || / \|_|_|/ | __|| / / \ |____| || / | | /| | --| | | |// |____ --| * _ | |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ // | / _ \\ _ // | / * / \_ /- | - | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________ -- Self portrait? |
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Goblin had overhead line problems yesterday and a reduced
service with 172s only was in operation. I suspect that the decision to continue terminating the service at Gospel Oak and consequently have four car trains instead of five will cause over crowding quite quickly. Already some of the 378s are pretty full with standing passengers. If the great mantra of rail enthusiasts - suppressed demand - is valid, the line might well see increased patronage long before the Barking Riverside extension comes into play. It's possible that eventually four car trains will be inadequate. Then, TfL will have to negotiate for paths between Gospel Oak and Willesden Junction and the platforms will have to be extended further. My local station could easily accommodate six car trains. |
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Robin9 wrote:
Goblin had overhead line problems yesterday and a reduced service with 172s only was in operation. I suspect that the decision to continue terminating the service at Gospel Oak and consequently have four car trains instead of five will cause over crowding quite quickly. Already some of the 378s are pretty full with standing passengers. If the great mantra of rail enthusiasts - suppressed demand - is valid, the line might well see increased patronage long before the Barking Riverside extension comes into play. It's possible that eventually four car trains will be inadequate. Then, TfL will have to negotiate for paths between Gospel Oak and Willesden Junction and the platforms will have to be extended further. My local station could easily accommodate six car trains. Wouldn't it be possible simply to run a more frequent GOBRLIN service, say 5 tph? |
I don't know if it would be possible throughout the day as
there are also freight movements on the line. Presumably a fifth passenger train would mean a regular service of a train every twelve minutes and the twelve minute gap might not be sufficient for freight trains. It's noticeable they already follow closely on the heels of passenger trains. The other issue that will arise if patronage grows is Platform 2 at Blackhorse Road Station. A very large proportion of the passengers east of Blackhorse Road change there to and from the Victoria Line. In the late afternoon/early evening the narrow platform 2 is quite crowded and some passengers wait on the stairs or the footbridge. TfL will have to widen Platform 2 at some stage. Land is available! I hope they also sort out the public address system on that platform which distorts the messages. |
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Robin9 wrote:
I don't know if it would be possible throughout the day as there are also freight movements on the line. Presumably a fifth passenger train would mean a regular service of a train every twelve minutes and the twelve minute gap might not be sufficient for freight trains. It's noticeable they already follow closely on the heels of passenger trains. Maybe only run 5 tph in the peaks, with limited or no freight paths? The other issue that will arise if patronage grows is Platform 2 at Blackhorse Road Station. A very large proportion of the passengers east of Blackhorse Road change there to and from the Victoria Line. In the late afternoon/early evening the narrow platform 2 is quite crowded and some passengers wait on the stairs or the footbridge. TfL will have to widen Platform 2 at some stage. Land is available! I hope they also sort out the public address system on that platform which distorts the messages. Are any 710s running in test mode on the line yet? |
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I haven't seen any either!
I travelled on the line today. I arrived at Leyton Midland at 11.04, four minutes after the previous train had left. A class 59 with 26 on came through the station towards yellow signals at about 25 mph. Bearing in mind the preceding passenger train will stop at Walthamstow Queens Road but the freight train won't, there's not much slack in the system. The good news is they've fixed the public address system on Platform 2 at Blackhorse Road! |
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On 28/02/2019 00:29, Robin9 wrote:
I haven't seen any either! You can see them here... https://youtu.be/_iTkxvtOKTE?t=725 The streamlined front was a surprise... will they do over 100mph on the LTS part? -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... Hailu Mergia & Dahlak Band - Sintayehu https://youtu.be/Z0D5NnUFfC4 |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 28/02/2019 00:29, Robin9 wrote: I haven't seen any either! You can see them here... https://youtu.be/_iTkxvtOKTE?t=725 I've already seen them parked in the depot and in the bay platform at Willesden Junction, but not running on their future tracks. The streamlined front was a surprise... will they do over 100mph on the LTS part? No, max 75mph. The front is just the standard Aventra design. |
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:50:08 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 28/02/2019 00:29, Robin9 wrote: I haven't seen any either! You can see them here... https://youtu.be/_iTkxvtOKTE?t=725 I've already seen them parked in the depot and in the bay platform at Willesden Junction, but not running on their future tracks. The streamlined front was a surprise... will they do over 100mph on the LTS part? No, max 75mph. The front is just the standard Aventra design. Best viewed from a distance through dark glasses IMO. Still, at least the designers of the Class 70 won't feel so alone now. |
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Robin9 wrote:
I haven't seen any either! I travelled on the line today. I arrived at Leyton Midland at 11.04, four minutes after the previous train had left. A class 59 with 26 on came through the station towards yellow signals at about 25 mph. Bearing in mind the preceding passenger train will stop at Walthamstow Queens Road but the freight train won't, there's not much slack in the system. The good news is they've fixed the public address system on Platform 2 at Blackhorse Road! I see from Twitter that ARL staff drove the first 710 to Barking today. This was it reversing at Willesden low level: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0fhnDgWkAACV-b.jpg @RidingtheGoblin tweeted, "… this was the first time ARL staff had got their hands on a Class 710 apart from visits to the Asfordby test centre. Proper crew training has yet to start. Each driver needs a 4-day conversion course, so 710s COULD be in public service in a couple of months at very earliest". |
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Robin9 wrote:
I haven't seen any either! I travelled on the line today. I arrived at Leyton Midland at 11.04, four minutes after the previous train had left. A class 59 with 26 on came through the station towards yellow signals at about 25 mph. Bearing in mind the preceding passenger train will stop at Walthamstow Queens Road but the freight train won't, there's not much slack in the system. The good news is they've fixed the public address system on Platform 2 at Blackhorse Road! I'm wondering if 710 passenger services have quietly started. For example: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L90584/2019/03/07/advanced Or was it actually run by a 378? |
Very interesting! I'd heard that the office for Road & Rail (ORR)
have not yet given their approval of 710s for passenger service, and the general assumption is that it'll be two months or so before they start earning their living. Perhaps one unit has been authorised early. |
It seems that 710 running on GOBLIN has started very quietly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3wHHnLw3pk I must point out to anyone unfamiliar with this stretch of the railway, that the over-use of the zoom distorts enormously the layout of the route. The curve just east of Leytonstone High Road Station is nothing like as severe as suggested and the gradient west of the station does not drop down in the manner shown.. I notice that in the current issue of Rail Christian Wolmar is very critical of the way the GOBLIN electrification has been handled. |
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On 15/03/2019 12:22, Robin9 wrote:
It seems that 710 running on GOBLIN has started very quietly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3wHHnLw3pk I must point out to anyone unfamiliar with this stretch of the railway, that the over-use of the zoom distorts enormously the layout of the route. The curve just east of Leytonstone High Road Station is nothing like as severe as suggested and the gradient west of the station does not drop down in the manner shown.. I notice that in the current issue of Rail Christian Wolmar is very critical of the way the GOBLIN electrification has been handled. So why are they talking about halving frequency from March 18th if the new trains are good to go? Or is that now scrapped? -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... Spratleys Japs - Hands (Marc Riley session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTFmVrE1WAc |
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Mike Bristow wrote:
In article , Basil Jet wrote: So why are they talking about halving frequency from March 18th if the new trains are good to go? Or is that now scrapped? Driver training can now start, AIUI. Of course, that's going to be even more frustrating for passengers suffering a 2tph service, as they watch the empty new trains running through, and even stopping, at their stations without the doors opening. I would have thought it ought to have been possible to train a few Goblin drivers on the new trains while they've been test running on the WCML. That might have allowed a couple (ideally three) of the new trains to enter service next week. |
Message boards today at Leyton Midland Road Station
state the frequency will be halved in a few days time. I've yet to see this authorised and functioning 710 so perhaps it's being used for crew training now. |
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Robin9 wrote:
Message boards today at Leyton Midland Road Station state the frequency will be halved in a few days time. I've yet to see this authorised and functioning 710 so perhaps it's being used for crew training now. Yes. I think they've been test running at night on the line for a few weeks, followed by a diesel Thunderbird loco at first. Presumably it's now reliable enough to run among service trains without an accompanying rescue loco. There have been several units on test, not sure how many on the Goblin. The good news is that if the problems are purely in the TMS software, it shouldn't take long to bring all the delivered units (six?) up to spec. The weekly TfL newsletter says: "From Monday 18 March, there will be a reduced weekday service between Gospel Oak and Barking. Trains will run about every 30 minutes. A reduced service will continue on this route every day until further notice, due to a lack of available trains. For weekday train times, check our temporary timetable. " |
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On 15/03/2019 21:29, Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote: Message boards today at Leyton Midland Road Station state the frequency will be halved in a few days time. I've yet to see this authorised and functioning 710 so perhaps it's being used for crew training now. Yes. I think they've been test running at night on the line for a few weeks, followed by a diesel Thunderbird loco at first. Presumably it's now reliable enough to run among service trains without an accompanying rescue loco. There have been several units on test, not sure how many on the Goblin. The good news is that if the problems are purely in the TMS software, it shouldn't take long to bring all the delivered units (six?) up to spec. The weekly TfL newsletter says: "From Monday 18 March, there will be a reduced weekday service between Gospel Oak and Barking. Trains will run about every 30 minutes. A reduced service will continue on this route every day until further notice, due to a lack of available trains. For weekday train times, check our temporary timetable. " You'd think they would have at least mentioned that the halving of the frequency will be accompanied by a doubling of the train length. -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... Spratleys Japs - Hands (Marc Riley session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTFmVrE1WAc |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 15/03/2019 21:29, Recliner wrote: Robin9 wrote: Message boards today at Leyton Midland Road Station state the frequency will be halved in a few days time. I've yet to see this authorised and functioning 710 so perhaps it's being used for crew training now. Yes. I think they've been test running at night on the line for a few weeks, followed by a diesel Thunderbird loco at first. Presumably it's now reliable enough to run among service trains without an accompanying rescue loco. There have been several units on test, not sure how many on the Goblin. The good news is that if the problems are purely in the TMS software, it shouldn't take long to bring all the delivered units (six?) up to spec. The weekly TfL newsletter says: "From Monday 18 March, there will be a reduced weekday service between Gospel Oak and Barking. Trains will run about every 30 minutes. A reduced service will continue on this route every day until further notice, due to a lack of available trains. For weekday train times, check our temporary timetable. " You'd think they would have at least mentioned that the halving of the frequency will be accompanied by a doubling of the train length. It's not really: the three 4-car 378s were already in service on the line. All that changes from today is that the last three 172s have gone. |
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On 16/03/2019 16:19, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 15/03/2019 21:29, Recliner wrote: Robin9 wrote: Message boards today at Leyton Midland Road Station state the frequency will be halved in a few days time. I've yet to see this authorised and functioning 710 so perhaps it's being used for crew training now. Yes. I think they've been test running at night on the line for a few weeks, followed by a diesel Thunderbird loco at first. Presumably it's now reliable enough to run among service trains without an accompanying rescue loco. There have been several units on test, not sure how many on the Goblin. The good news is that if the problems are purely in the TMS software, it shouldn't take long to bring all the delivered units (six?) up to spec. The weekly TfL newsletter says: "From Monday 18 March, there will be a reduced weekday service between Gospel Oak and Barking. Trains will run about every 30 minutes. A reduced service will continue on this route every day until further notice, due to a lack of available trains. For weekday train times, check our temporary timetable. " You'd think they would have at least mentioned that the halving of the frequency will be accompanied by a doubling of the train length. It's not really: the three 4-car 378s were already in service on the line. All that changes from today is that the last three 172s have gone. It's a doubling of the train lengths present a few months ago. -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... Spratleys Japs - Hands (Marc Riley session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTFmVrE1WAc |
Yesterday I saw my first real, live 710 in action! I had just arrived
on Platform 1 at Leytonstone High Road, the westbound platform, and a 710 was approaching eastbound at about 45 mph. It went straight through the station and then performed an emergency stop. It stopped very quickly and clearly the 710s have good brakes. I was impressed. After about three seconds, it continued on its way. |
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