"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message
...
In article , Ben Nunn
writes
Well quite. All of the above are multiple platform stations at which some
services from one direction terminate.

AFAIK, The new Heathrow 123 will be the only 'conventional' LUL through
station (e.g. one 'up' platform and one 'down') from which the number of
trains in each direction is unequal.

A quick think gives me:

Archway
Canons Park
Ealing Common
Farringdon (Circle)
Oakwood
Rayners Lane
Rickmansworth
Ruislip
Stonebridge Park
Tooting Broadway
Victoria (Victoria)
West Ham (Jubilee)
West Kensington
Whitechapel (ELL)
Willesden Green


But most, if not all of these are stations with a terminal facilitiy, so are
not the same as the new T123 station at all. The number of trains departing
and arriving each platform from Tooting Broadway, for example, is exactly
the same - the number that leave empty in a southbound direction is equal to
the number that arrive empty on the Northbound platform.

BTN

"Ben Nunn" wrote in message
...

But most, if not all of these are stations with a terminal
facilitiy, so are not the same as the new T123 station
at all. The number of trains departing and arriving
each platform from Tooting Broadway, for example,
is exactly the same - the number that leave empty
in a southbound direction is equal to the number
that arrive empty on the Northbound platform.

Maybe you didn't get the message from M L Dickinson, but at Harlesden and
Stonebridge Park there are about 50% more trains to London than there are
from London. This is because the trains which terminate at Stonebridge Park
run empty from Willesden Junction, due to LU not having any staff to perform
the tipping-out duty at Stonebridge Park.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Ben Nunn" wrote in message
...

But most, if not all of these are stations with a terminal
facilitiy, so are not the same as the new T123 station
at all. The number of trains departing and arriving
each platform from Tooting Broadway, for example,
is exactly the same - the number that leave empty
in a southbound direction is equal to the number
that arrive empty on the Northbound platform.

Maybe you didn't get the message from M L Dickinson, but at Harlesden and
Stonebridge Park there are about 50% more trains to London than there are
from London. This is because the trains which terminate at Stonebridge Park
run empty from Willesden Junction, due to LU not having any staff to perform
the tipping-out duty at Stonebridge Park.

Why can't the driver do it they they do elsewhere on the system?

B2003

Boltar wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...
"Ben Nunn" wrote in message
...

But most, if not all of these are stations with a terminal
facilitiy, so are not the same as the new T123 station
at all. The number of trains departing and arriving
each platform from Tooting Broadway, for example,
is exactly the same - the number that leave empty
in a southbound direction is equal to the number
that arrive empty on the Northbound platform.

Maybe you didn't get the message from M L Dickinson, but at
Harlesden and
Stonebridge Park there are about 50% more trains to London than
there are
from London. This is because the trains which terminate at
Stonebridge Park
run empty from Willesden Junction, due to LU not having any staff
to perform
the tipping-out duty at Stonebridge Park.

Why can't the driver do it they they do elsewhere on the system?

Because, without assistance from station staff, he has to walk the whole
length of the train and back, checking each car and closing the doors,
and this holds up following trains.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Maybe you didn't get the message from M L Dickinson, but at
Harlesden and
Stonebridge Park there are about 50% more trains to London than
there are
from London. This is because the trains which terminate at
Stonebridge Park
run empty from Willesden Junction, due to LU not having any staff
to perform
the tipping-out duty at Stonebridge Park.

Why can't the driver do it they they do elsewhere on the system?

Because, without assistance from station staff, he has to walk the whole
length of the train and back, checking each car and closing the doors,
and this holds up following trains.

Thats never bothered them on the piccadilly line. Many a time I've been tipped
off at wood green to wait while the driver wanders down the train without any
station staff around. Besides , isn't the driver responsible for the train so
he has to do it anyway?

B2003

Boltar wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
...
Maybe you didn't get the message from M L Dickinson, but at
Harlesden and Stonebridge Park there are about 50% more
trains to London than there are from London. This is because
the trains which terminate at Stonebridge Park run empty
from Willesden Junction, due to LU not having any staff to
perform the tipping-out duty at Stonebridge Park.

Why can't the driver do it they they do elsewhere on the system?

Because, without assistance from station staff, he has to walk
the whole length of the train and back, checking each car and
closing the doors, and this holds up following trains.

Thats never bothered them on the piccadilly line. Many a time
I've been tipped off at wood green to wait while the driver
wanders down the train without any station staff around.
Besides , isn't the driver responsible for the train so he has
to do it anyway?

That's probably because Wood Green isn't a scheduled reversing point,
and hence staff are not routinely available to support tipping out. It
may be worth a slight delay to the eastbound service in order to plug a
very long gap in the westbound.

Re your last point, responsibility doesn't mean he has to do everything
himself. He can accept an assurance from other qualified staff, in this
and other cases.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." wrote in message
...
Boltar wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
...

Because, without assistance from station staff,
he has to walk the whole length of the train and
back, checking each car and closing the doors,
and this holds up following trains.

Thats never bothered them on the piccadilly line.
Many a time I've been tipped off at wood green
to wait while the driver wanders down the train
without any station staff around.

That's probably because Wood Green isn't a scheduled reversing point,

Also, LU would presumably be fined if they delayed Silverlink trains at
Stonebridge Park, while this is not an issue at Wood Green.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In article , Richard J.
writes

Re your last point, responsibility doesn't mean he has to do everything
himself. He can accept an assurance from other qualified staff, in this
and other cases.

Which he or she does at their own risk.
--
Andrew
Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this
communication can not be guaranteed.
Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not
associations or companies I am involved with.

"Richard J." wrote in message
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Boltar wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...
"Ben Nunn" wrote in message
...

But most, if not all of these are stations with a terminal
facilitiy, so are not the same as the new T123 station
at all. The number of trains departing and arriving
each platform from Tooting Broadway, for example,
is exactly the same - the number that leave empty
in a southbound direction is equal to the number
that arrive empty on the Northbound platform.

Maybe you didn't get the message from M L Dickinson, but at
Harlesden and
Stonebridge Park there are about 50% more trains to London than
there are
from London. This is because the trains which terminate at
Stonebridge Park
run empty from Willesden Junction, due to LU not having any staff
to perform
the tipping-out duty at Stonebridge Park.

Why can't the driver do it they they do elsewhere on the system?

Because, without assistance from station staff, he has to walk the whole
length of the train and back, checking each car and closing the doors,
and this holds up following trains.

In fact, Wood Green does have to have staff availible to assist with
detrainments, a thing called an HMRI check takes place twice a day to make
sure that they are. Of course the problem with Wood Green is that trains can
be reversed there at very short notice so at times the driver may have
tipped the train out before the word has got to the SA that he needs to be
on the platform to assist.
--
Cheers, Steve.
If The Good Lord had meant for us to be fiscally prudent, He would not have
given us the platinum credit card...
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 01:00:06 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

"Ben Nunn" wrote in message
...

But most, if not all of these are stations with a terminal
facilitiy, so are not the same as the new T123 station
at all. The number of trains departing and arriving
each platform from Tooting Broadway, for example,
is exactly the same - the number that leave empty
in a southbound direction is equal to the number
that arrive empty on the Northbound platform.

Maybe you didn't get the message from M L Dickinson, but at Harlesden and
Stonebridge Park there are about 50% more trains to London than there are
from London. This is because the trains which terminate at Stonebridge Park
run empty from Willesden Junction, due to LU not having any staff to perform
the tipping-out duty at Stonebridge Park.

And also the fact that every instance of people being overcarried into
sidings or depots has to be reported to the HMRI (following the death at
Liverpool St? when someone was carried into the sidings). Hence there
have to be people specifically allocated to make sure this happens where
"reversals" are scheduled.
--
Paul C


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