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D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote:
wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...posted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...posted-public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... Spratleys Japs - Hands (Marc Riley session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTFmVrE1WAc |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Basil Jet wrote:
On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...posted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...posted-public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Thanks, I'm impressed, as Geoff was. I hope Vivarail gets a lot more orders for them. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:19:02 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote: [snip] Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Thanks, I'm impressed, as Geoff was. I hope Vivarail gets a lot more orders for them. I'm impressed too. It looks like a good exercise in recycling and reuse. Maybe Vivarail could make a better job of refurbishing HSTs than Wabtec. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
... On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...posted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...posted-public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Interesting that they've kept the sideways seats and the large amount of standing room between them, which are more appropriate for a service with a large number of closely-spaced stations (London Underground style) and haven't converted *both* carriages to transverse 2+2 seating. Good that there are some high-backed seats; shame that they are not all like that. Despite the conversion, they still look and feel like tube trains, as far as I can gather from Geoff's video. They still sound like tube trains, due to the characteristic noise of the traction motors (obviously overlaid with the throb of a diesel engine to generate the power). I see that the fuel consumption is a lot less than for a Pacer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_230 says "Vivarail has claimed that the fuel consumption is roughly 0.5 litre per car per mile; this is about half the fuel consumption of a Pacer." I wonder what the ride is like compared with a) a Pacer, with its lack of swivelling bogies, b) a Sprinter 158 or a 185. Let's hope it doesn't have the crap ride of the 455s that I used to endure on the Waterloo-Bracknell line - they are arguably even worse than Pacers (discuss!). |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. .... any more. Interesting. -- Basil Jet - Current favourite song... Spratleys Japs - Hands (Marc Riley session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTFmVrE1WAc |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. ... any more. Interesting. Yes, I wonder why it's been removed? Might it have violated a copyright, or disclosed something it shouldn't? Did Geoff break some safety rule? I can't recall that he said anything that would have upset the TOC, NR or Vivarail. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. ... any more. Interesting. Yes, I wonder why it's been removed? Might it have violated a copyright, or disclosed something it shouldn't? Did Geoff break some safety rule? I can't recall that he said anything that would have upset the TOC, NR or Vivarail. Not the only video on you tube of them running yesterday though. A search of “class 230”train brings up a couple more. GH |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. ... any more. Interesting. Yes, I wonder why it's been removed? Might it have violated a copyright, or disclosed something it shouldn't? Did Geoff break some safety rule? I can't recall that he said anything that would have upset the TOC, NR or Vivarail. Not the only video on you tube of them running yesterday though. A search of “class 230”train brings up a couple more. There must be something specific is Geoff's video that caused it to be pulled — what could it be? |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 25/04/2019 22:23, Recliner wrote:
There must be something specific is Geoff's video that caused it to be pulled — what could it be? As I've not seen the video, it's not possible to be certain, but a friend of mine had a video pulled very quickly due to a few seconds of recognisable music in the background of the sound track. Record companies are now scanning most, if not all, Youtube postings using AI to check for their music being posted without permission, and the new EU Copyright Act is about to make it worse by making it illegal to even link to copyrighted material such as newspaper articles without prior permission, never mind copying and pasting. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
In message , at 07:55:50 on Fri, 26
Apr 2019, John Williamson remarked: On 25/04/2019 22:23, Recliner wrote: There must be something specific is Geoff's video that caused it to be pulled — what could it be? As I've not seen the video, it's not possible to be certain, but a friend of mine had a video pulled very quickly due to a few seconds of recognisable music in the background of the sound track. I'd have expected Geoff to be an old enough hand not to slip on that banana skin. Record companies are now scanning most, if not all, Youtube postings using AI to check for their music being posted without permission, and the new EU Copyright Act is about to make it worse by making it illegal to even link to copyrighted material such as newspaper articles without prior permission, never mind copying and pasting. I think you are over-reading the proposals. -- Roland Perry |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:55:50 on Fri, 26 Apr 2019, John Williamson remarked: On 25/04/2019 22:23, Recliner wrote: There must be something specific is Geoff's video that caused it to be pulled — what could it be? As I've not seen the video, it's not possible to be certain, but a friend of mine had a video pulled very quickly due to a few seconds of recognisable music in the background of the sound track. I'd have expected Geoff to be an old enough hand not to slip on that banana skin. Yes, agreed. He makes far too many videos for that. I don't even recall that the video had any music, but I might simply have subconsciously ignored it. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 26/04/2019 08:38, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: I'd have expected Geoff to be an old enough hand not to slip on that banana skin. Yes, agreed. He makes far too many videos for that. I don't even recall that the video had any music, but I might simply have subconsciously ignored it. If they've not told him why, they will if he asks them. But sometimes even a few seconds of a nearby ringtone set to a pop song can trigger a takedown request. As can a face appearing that doesn't want to be recognised. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. It's back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc I just noticed the buttons by the interconnecting door. I presume they are something to do with MIPs, but I'm not sure how they function - does either button cause both doors to swing loose? Unless the doors have powered hinges, it would not be convenient for a MIP to go through them. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Zammuto - 2014 - Anchor |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Basil Jet wrote:
On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. It's back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc I just noticed the buttons by the interconnecting door. I presume they are something to do with MIPs, but I'm not sure how they function - does either button cause both doors to swing loose? Unless the doors have powered hinges, it would not be convenient for a MIP to go through them. An area of the interior decor seen over his shoulder at about 9.10 is reminiscent of the Edward Pond Murals of Network South East Days , I think it must be the colours. He is no longer around so it cannot be one of his designs but I wonder if there was some inspiration there. I think Salisbury Station still has a couple of the NSE works in the subway, one of the surviving artefacts of that era. GH |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 02/05/2019 01:29, Marland wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. It's back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc I just noticed the buttons by the interconnecting door. I presume they are something to do with MIPs, but I'm not sure how they function - does either button cause both doors to swing loose? Unless the doors have powered hinges, it would not be convenient for a MIP to go through them. An area of the interior decor seen over his shoulder at about 9.10 is reminiscent of the Edward Pond Murals of Network South East Days , I think it must be the colours. He is no longer around so it cannot be one of his designs but I wonder if there was some inspiration there. I think Salisbury Station still has a couple of the NSE works in the subway, one of the surviving artefacts of that era. Not Excrete St Davids? -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Art Brut - 2007 - It's A Bit Complicated |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
In message , at 00:12:33 on Thu, 2 May 2019,
Basil Jet remarked: On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. It's back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc As I suspected, missing the interview with the "designer" chappie. I just noticed the buttons by the interconnecting door. I presume they are something to do with MIPs, but I'm not sure how they function - does either button cause both doors to swing loose? Unless the doors have powered hinges, it would not be convenient for a MIP to go through them. -- Roland Perry |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 00:12:33 on Thu, 2 May 2019, Basil Jet remarked: On 25/04/2019 19:32, Peter Johnson wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:55:16 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. It's back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc As I suspected, missing the interview with the "designer" chappie. Yes, I wonder if it was something specific that he disclosed, or simply his failure to get permission for the interview from his client? |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
In message , at 07:35:32 on Thu, 2 May 2019,
Recliner remarked: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. It's back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc As I suspected, missing the interview with the "designer" chappie. Yes, I wonder if it was something specific that he disclosed, or simply his failure to get permission for the interview from his client? There may be something in an earlier suggestion about muddling up (in the public's mind) the distinction between Vivarail and WMT as the client for the cosmetic design. But many organisations are strict about "talking to the press" in any circumstances. I wonder if Geoff had to go back and re-film his walk-through of the overhead posters. First time round he was with the designer, now nowhere to be seen. Might explain why it's taken almost a week to reappear. -- Roland Perry |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:35:32 on Thu, 2 May 2019, Recliner remarked: Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Not available. It's back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc As I suspected, missing the interview with the "designer" chappie. Yes, I wonder if it was something specific that he disclosed, or simply his failure to get permission for the interview from his client? There may be something in an earlier suggestion about muddling up (in the public's mind) the distinction between Vivarail and WMT as the client for the cosmetic design. But many organisations are strict about "talking to the press" in any circumstances. I wonder if Geoff had to go back and re-film his walk-through of the overhead posters. First time round he was with the designer, now nowhere to be seen. Might explain why it's taken almost a week to reappear. No, I suspect he had plenty of unused original footage that he could use in a new edit. He may even have realised when filming that he might need to produce a different version like this. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
Roland Perry wrote:
As I suspected, missing the interview with the "designer" chappie. I wonder if Geoff had to go back and re-film his walk-through of the overhead posters. First time round he was with the designer, now nowhere to be seen. Might explain why it's taken almost a week to reappear. Clothes in the wash ? He has taken great care to wear identical attire if it is just a segment, as someone who makes a lot of films continuity is something he will be well aware of but even so many professionals often forget something. I’d say the whole interior scenes are redone, is it just the designer who has been removed? Wasn’t there an enthusiast type who was wearing some Uniform from the Southern T.O.C. Perhaps they didn’t like that if it was an employee wearing it while off duty out on a jolly , or understandably he just wasn’t there during the remake. GH |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
In message , at 08:48:11 on Thu, 2 May
2019, Marland remarked: As I suspected, missing the interview with the "designer" chappie. I wonder if Geoff had to go back and re-film his walk-through of the overhead posters. First time round he was with the designer, now nowhere to be seen. Might explain why it's taken almost a week to reappear. Clothes in the wash ? He has taken great care to wear identical attire if it is just a segment, as someone who makes a lot of films continuity is something he will be well aware of but even so many professionals often forget something. I’d say the whole interior scenes are redone, is it just the designer who has been removed? Wasn’t there an enthusiast type who was wearing some Uniform from the Southern T.O.C. Perhaps they didn’t like that if it was an employee wearing it while off duty out on a jolly , or understandably he just wasn’t there during the remake. I didn't watch the original that closely, but my sense is that there were more people on the train the first time around. -- Roland Perry |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
In message , at 08:26:05 on Thu, 2 May 2019,
Recliner remarked: I wonder if Geoff had to go back and re-film his walk-through of the overhead posters. First time round he was with the designer, now nowhere to be seen. Might explain why it's taken almost a week to reappear. No, I suspect he had plenty of unused original footage that he could use in a new edit. He may even have realised when filming that he might need to produce a different version like this. Not so much "unused footage", as doing the walk through two separate times. -- Roland Perry |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
In article , Recliner
scribeth thus Basil Jet wrote: On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Thanks, I'm impressed, as Geoff was. I hope Vivarail gets a lot more orders for them. Says on my PC vid unavailable on Firefox and chrome browsers!... -- Tony Sayer Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Recliner scribeth thus Basil Jet wrote: On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Thanks, I'm impressed, as Geoff was. I hope Vivarail gets a lot more orders for them. Says on my PC vid unavailable on Firefox and chrome browsers!... Keep reading the thread. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 03/05/2019 00:06, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Recliner scribeth thus Basil Jet wrote: On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Thanks, I'm impressed, as Geoff was. I hope Vivarail gets a lot more orders for them. Says on my PC vid unavailable on Firefox and chrome browsers!... It's rather fitting to see complaints from the past refurbished and redeployed... -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Art Brut - 2007 - It's A Bit Complicated |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
On 03/05/2019 00:06, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Recliner scribeth thus Basil Jet wrote: On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Thanks, I'm impressed, as Geoff was. I hope Vivarail gets a lot more orders for them. Says on my PC vid unavailable on Firefox and chrome browsers!... Last week called - they want their comment back. |
D trains in service for the first time today - 23-4-19
In message , at 00:06:37 on Fri, 3 May
2019, tony sayer remarked: In article , Recliner scribeth thus Basil Jet wrote: On 23/04/2019 21:55, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 21:09:03 UTC+1, Recliner wrote: wrote: 230004 entered service on the Bletchley - Bedford line today and here are a couple of shots of it at Millbrook this evening after a tip-off: https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/605390...in/dateposted- public/ What do they sound like? A DMU or four Transit vans going past? Just a low purring noise. That's encouraging — they should be pretty quiet inside. Geoff Marshall's video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSn5_2TWcM Thanks, I'm impressed, as Geoff was. I hope Vivarail gets a lot more orders for them. Says on my PC vid unavailable on Firefox and chrome browsers!... New version at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0-kA49lNc -- Roland Perry |
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