On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:44:10 +0100, tim... wrote:


"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote in message
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In article , Recliner
writes
"The service had reopened by 13:00, but is now running with severe
delays"

yep all trains are running 7 hours late

how will anyone notice?

Yes, that's something I often wonder with LU disruptions. Probably
what they really mean is that they're running a reduced service, with
extended intervals between trains.

No, the trains do run to a timetable.

Most of us know that

It used to be possible to get a physical copy (I'm beginning to wish that I
had kept my "collection")

And very possible an online variant, as for busses until they took those
away (or hid them very well) in favour of just informing people using the
journey planner.

The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

This may mean that train 123 is 20
minutes behind time or,

but if everything is running 20 minutes (or 2 hours, or 4 hours, or 6 hours)
behind time, because all trains were stuck in the depot for that length of
time, who will notice other than the dispatcher (whatever his job title is).

It's all very well TfL telling us that trains are running with severe
delays, meaning that individual trains are running behind their nominal
timetable, but if there still a service frequency of one trains every 3-4
minutes, in the real world, who cares?

OTOH if they mean something else, such as extended intervals because fewer
trains are running, or because of extended dwell times at stations caused by
congested platforms, they should use a more appropriate terminology.

The definition for Severe Delays is based on how the trains are perceived
to be running, not on if they are running according to the WTT. For
example on the Jubilee line during peak times gaps in service of more
than 10 minutes are a severe delay.

See
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transpa...=FOI-1233-1718
for some examples.

"David Walters" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:44:10 +0100, tim... wrote:


"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote in message
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In article , Recliner
writes
"The service had reopened by 13:00, but is now running with severe
delays"

yep all trains are running 7 hours late

how will anyone notice?

Yes, that's something I often wonder with LU disruptions. Probably
what they really mean is that they're running a reduced service, with
extended intervals between trains.

No, the trains do run to a timetable.

Most of us know that

It used to be possible to get a physical copy (I'm beginning to wish that
I
had kept my "collection")

And very possible an online variant, as for busses until they took those
away (or hid them very well) in favour of just informing people using the
journey planner.

The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make sense in
printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

tim

On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:44:10 +0100, tim...
wrote:

"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote in message
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No, the trains do run to a timetable.

Most of us know that

It used to be possible to get a physical copy (I'm beginning to wish
that I
had kept my "collection")

And very possible an online variant, as for busses until they took those
away (or hid them very well) in favour of just informing people using
the journey planner.

Hid them so well that I had to type "london underground working
timetables" into Mr Google's Information Emporium to get them to come up
as the first result.

The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make sense
in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters. Normies never see them. Why are
you channelling Boltar?

The other fact not mentioned is that when the service restarts all of
the drivers will be in the wrong places, which means they'll be hitting
their legal working hours limit in odd places unless the controllers
turn various trains in various places for the next few hours. This won't
affect the central area much, but you will probably get unusually long
intervals at Barnet and Edgware sporadically for the rest of the day.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Radiohead - 2001 - Pyramid Song

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:44:10 +0100, tim...
wrote:

"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote in message
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No, the trains do run to a timetable.

Most of us know that

It used to be possible to get a physical copy (I'm beginning to wish
that I
had kept my "collection")

And very possible an online variant, as for busses until they took
those
away (or hid them very well) in favour of just informing people using
the journey planner.

Hid them so well that I had to type "london underground working

would never have occurred to me to add "working timetable"

timetables" into Mr Google's Information Emporium to get them to come up
as the first result.

The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make sense
in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters.

Not a spotter, just a customer who's interested in the nominal frequency for
each service

As an example, I caught a Wimbleware train yesterday which was changed en
route to early terminating at HSK, because we were "running late"

I looked at the board when I got off and the next Wimbleware train was in 10
minutes and I thought "if it's a 10 minute frequency then that's late as
well!)

Normies never see them.

Yesterday I was a normal - I was going shopping to a specific shop.

Admittedly, on the way back I detoured via the West London line as I hadn't
done it since before there were intermediate stations.

Why are you channelling Boltar?

I didn't realise that I was (whatever channelling means)

The other fact not mentioned is that when the service restarts all of the
drivers will be in the wrong places, which means they'll be hitting their
legal working hours limit

Yeah I got that.

tim

On 06/09/2019 16:13, tim... wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make
sense in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters.

Not a spotter, just a customer who's interested in the nominal frequency
for each service

There's a frequency table in each WTT preceding the actual times.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Radiohead - 1997 - No Surprises

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 16:13, tim... wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make
sense in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters.

Not a spotter, just a customer who's interested in the nominal frequency
for each service

There's a frequency table in each WTT preceding the actual times.

yeah, I got that

It also tells me how many train diagrams there are, and what time they leave
the depot.

my point was it contained more than I actually needed.

tim



--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Radiohead - 1997 - No Surprises

"tim..." wrote in message
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 16:13, tim... wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:

"David Walters" wrote in message
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The Underground Working Timetables are available online:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

what a confusing format

East and westbound on alternative pages - might very possibly make
sense in printed form, absolutely useless in PDF form

They're for drivers, not for spotters.

Not a spotter, just a customer who's interested in the nominal frequency
for each service

There's a frequency table in each WTT preceding the actual times.

yeah, I got that

It also tells me how many train diagrams there are, and what time they
leave the depot.

my point was it contained more than I actually needed.

and it doesn't tell me why the 23:32 at Earls Court went to Olympia last
night

As there are no trains scheduled to do this on a weekday except "seven early
morning trips originating from Lillie Bridge depot and two early evening
training trips"

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 16:13:53 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2019 10:56, tim... wrote:
Yesterday I was a normal - I was going shopping to a specific shop.

Admittedly, on the way back I detoured via the West London line as I hadn't
done it since before there were intermediate stations.

Why are you channelling Boltar?

I didn't realise that I was (whatever channelling means)

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the fault of
the passenger.

On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

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"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 07/09/2019 16:19, wrote:

Didnt you know you can't criticise TfL or any of its subsidiaries on this
group since they're absolutely beyond reproach and any issues are the
fault of
the passenger.

Bring back London Transport (and British Rail for that matter).

bring back paper timetables

tim