In message , at 11:58:26 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:
On 08/09/2019 11:05, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:00:18 on Sun, 8 Sep
2019, Recliner remarked:
So he can save on the ultra-low emission zone fee, - surely your
average
second hand petrol model achieves that

Perhaps not for long?

Are they changing the standard, as well as the coverage area.

Currently approximates to petrol 2005+, diesels 2015+.

They'll almost certainly tighten the rules at some point. It's like the
exemption from the congestion charge, for which the rules have got
steadily
tighter.
At which point the fleet of secondhand petrol cars will consist of
higher-standard vehicles, which might well not be leap-frogged in the
egregious way Euro5 diesels were.

I think there's also a desire to widen the coverage area (beyond the
Circulars), but not fr a while.

I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities inside
the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.

There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial conflation
of GLA/M25).
--
Roland Perry

On 08/09/2019 12:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:58:26 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:
On 08/09/2019 11:05, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:00:18 on Sun, 8 Sep
2019,Â* Recliner remarked:
So he can save on the ultra-low emission zone fee, - surely your
average
second hand petrol model achieves that

Perhaps not for long?

Are they changing the standard, as well as the coverage area.

Currently approximates to petrol 2005+, diesels 2015+.

They'll almost certainly tighten the rules at some point. It's like the
exemption from the congestion charge, for which the rules have got
steadily
tighter.
Â*At which point the fleet of secondhand petrol cars will consist of
higher-standard vehicles, which might well not be leap-frogged in the
egregious way Euro5 diesels were.

I think there's also a desire to widen the coverage area (beyond the
Circulars), but not fr a while.

Â*I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities inside
the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.

There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial conflation
of GLA/M25).

The difference being that the Mayor's writ does not extend as far as
peoples perceptions of London.

--
Graeme Wall
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In message , at 13:00:57 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:

*I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities
inside the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.

There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial
conflation of GLA/M25).

The difference being that the Mayor's writ does not extend as far as
peoples perceptions of London.

Those perceptions including "The GLA", "Inside the M25", "Patrolled by
the Met Police", "with 070 phone numbers", "served by TfL bus routes"
and no doubt other metrics as well.

So it's a bit fuzzy round the edge, but "M25" is a reasonable and
commonly used approximation.
--
Roland Perry

On 08/09/2019 13:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:00:57 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:

Â*I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities
insideÂ* the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.

Â*There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial
conflationÂ* of GLA/M25).

The difference being that the Mayor's writ does not extend as far as
peoples perceptions of London.

Those perceptions including "The GLA", "Inside the M25", "Patrolled by
the Met Police", "with 070 phone numbers", "served by TfL bus routes"
and no doubt other metrics as well.


You left out served by tube trains :-)


So it's a bit fuzzy round the edge, but "M25" is a reasonable and
commonly used approximation.

But still one that people inside but not in London have strong feelings
about.

--
Graeme Wall
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In message , at 14:16:46 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:
*I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities
inside* the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.

*There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial
conflation* of GLA/M25).

The difference being that the Mayor's writ does not extend as far as
peoples perceptions of London.
Those perceptions including "The GLA", "Inside the M25", "Patrolled
by the Met Police", "with 070 phone numbers", "served by TfL bus
routes" and no doubt other metrics as well.

You left out served by tube trains :-)

So it's a bit fuzzy round the edge, but "M25" is a reasonable and
commonly used approximation.

But still one that people inside but not in London have strong feelings
about.

The strong feelings I've read about are people near the M25, but in GLA,
who think ZEV shouldn't go that far out.
--
Roland Perry

On 08/09/2019 16:04, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:16:46 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:
Â*I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities
insideÂ* the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.
Â*
Â*There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial
conflationÂ* of GLA/M25).

The difference being that the Mayor's writ does not extend as far as
peoples perceptions of London.
Â*Those perceptions including "The GLA", "Inside the M25", "Patrolled
byÂ* the Met Police", "with 070 phone numbers", "served by TfL bus
routes"Â* and no doubt other metrics as well.

You left out served by tube trains :-)

Â*So it's a bit fuzzy round the edge, but "M25" is a reasonable and
commonly used approximation.

But still one that people inside but not in London have strong
feelings about.

The strong feelings I've read about are people near the M25, but in GLA,
who think ZEV shouldn't go that far out.

I was thinking of those who object to being regarded as part London in
any circumstances, not just the Total Exclusion Zone.

--
Graeme Wall
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:16:46 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:
Â*I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities
insideÂ* the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.

Â*There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial
conflationÂ* of GLA/M25).

The difference being that the Mayor's writ does not extend as far as
peoples perceptions of London.
Those perceptions including "The GLA", "Inside the M25", "Patrolled
by the Met Police", "with 070 phone numbers", "served by TfL bus
routes" and no doubt other metrics as well.

You left out served by tube trains :-)

So it's a bit fuzzy round the edge, but "M25" is a reasonable and
commonly used approximation.

But still one that people inside but not in London have strong feelings
about.

The strong feelings I've read about are people near the M25, but in GLA,
who think ZEV shouldn't go that far out.

The ZEV zone would be much smaller, no more than the Congestion zone (ie,
less than Zone 1). The LEV zone is much larger.

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 13:00:57 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked:

I had an idea they were already considering as far as the M25.

There's a certain amount of resistance to that from communities inside
the M25 that do not consider themselves part of London.

There's resistance from a lot of people! (See also colloquial
conflation of GLA/M25).

The difference being that the Mayor's writ does not extend as far as
peoples perceptions of London.

Those perceptions including "The GLA", "Inside the M25", "Patrolled by the
Met Police",

now coincides with the GLA

agreed it didn't 30 years (or whatever) ago

tim