On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:06:49 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:42:15 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:

It'll be interesting to see how Oxford's ZEV zone gets on. There's bound
to be exceptions (ever seen a ZEV Fire Engine?) the question will be how
far the exceptions will extend. Especially buses, where a ZEV fleet
might be prohibitively expensive.

I don't know much about Oxford's bus routes, but would it be possible to
have a ZEV fleet operating in and just outside the ZEV zone, connecting to
conventional hybrid buses operating from the edge of the zone?

The proposed ZEV zone is actually quite small. Not a lot bigger than a
traditional pedestrianised town centre. It probably doesn't include any
bus routes.

So no problem?


London already has ZEV buses that only operate in the centre, and I suppose
there could be a new fleet of PHEV buses with a limited ZEV range that's
enough to cover a central ZEV zone (rather like the new taxis).

Where do you put the transfer bus stations.

Sounds like it's a non-issue?

In message , at 14:13:57 on
Sun, 8 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:06:49 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:42:15 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:

It'll be interesting to see how Oxford's ZEV zone gets on. There's bound
to be exceptions (ever seen a ZEV Fire Engine?) the question will be how
far the exceptions will extend. Especially buses, where a ZEV fleet
might be prohibitively expensive.

I don't know much about Oxford's bus routes, but would it be possible to
have a ZEV fleet operating in and just outside the ZEV zone, connecting to
conventional hybrid buses operating from the edge of the zone?

The proposed ZEV zone is actually quite small. Not a lot bigger than a
traditional pedestrianised town centre. It probably doesn't include any
bus routes.

So no problem?

Not in the sense that it could be embarrassingly deficient in the
absence of ZEV buses.

London already has ZEV buses that only operate in the centre, and I suppose
there could be a new fleet of PHEV buses with a limited ZEV range that's
enough to cover a central ZEV zone (rather like the new taxis).

Where do you put the transfer bus stations.

Sounds like it's a non-issue?

Other than either the immense cost of ZEV buses to populate inside the
N/S Circular (or wherever the boundary was that week) and transfer
stations to the less environmental buses for people with the temerity to
want to go from inside to outside the zone.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:13:57 on
Sun, 8 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:06:49 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:42:15 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:

It'll be interesting to see how Oxford's ZEV zone gets on. There's bound
to be exceptions (ever seen a ZEV Fire Engine?) the question will be how
far the exceptions will extend. Especially buses, where a ZEV fleet
might be prohibitively expensive.

I don't know much about Oxford's bus routes, but would it be possible to
have a ZEV fleet operating in and just outside the ZEV zone, connecting to
conventional hybrid buses operating from the edge of the zone?

The proposed ZEV zone is actually quite small. Not a lot bigger than a
traditional pedestrianised town centre. It probably doesn't include any
bus routes.

So no problem?

Not in the sense that it could be embarrassingly deficient in the
absence of ZEV buses.

In the tiny Oxford ZEV zone?


London already has ZEV buses that only operate in the centre, and I suppose
there could be a new fleet of PHEV buses with a limited ZEV range that's
enough to cover a central ZEV zone (rather like the new taxis).

Where do you put the transfer bus stations.

Sounds like it's a non-issue?

Other than either the immense cost of ZEV buses to populate inside the
N/S Circular (or wherever the boundary was that week) and transfer
stations to the less environmental buses for people with the temerity to
want to go from inside to outside the zone.

We were discussing Oxford, not London.

In message , at 15:34:45 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:13:57 on
Sun, 8 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:06:49 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:42:15 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:

It'll be interesting to see how Oxford's ZEV zone gets on. There's bound
to be exceptions (ever seen a ZEV Fire Engine?) the question will be how
far the exceptions will extend. Especially buses, where a ZEV fleet
might be prohibitively expensive.

I don't know much about Oxford's bus routes, but would it be possible to
have a ZEV fleet operating in and just outside the ZEV zone, connecting to
conventional hybrid buses operating from the edge of the zone?

The proposed ZEV zone is actually quite small. Not a lot bigger than a
traditional pedestrianised town centre. It probably doesn't include any
bus routes.

So no problem?

Not in the sense that it could be embarrassingly deficient in the
absence of ZEV buses.

In the tiny Oxford ZEV zone?


London already has ZEV buses that only operate in the centre,
******
and I suppose
there could be a new fleet of PHEV buses with a limited ZEV range that's
enough to cover a central ZEV zone (rather like the new taxis).

Where do you put the transfer bus stations.

Sounds like it's a non-issue?

Other than either the immense cost of ZEV buses to populate inside the
N/S Circular (or wherever the boundary was that week) and transfer
stations to the less environmental buses for people with the temerity to
want to go from inside to outside the zone.

We were discussing Oxford, not London.

See ******

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:34:45 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:13:57 on
Sun, 8 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:06:49 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:42:15 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:

It'll be interesting to see how Oxford's ZEV zone gets on. There's bound
to be exceptions (ever seen a ZEV Fire Engine?) the question will be how
far the exceptions will extend. Especially buses, where a ZEV fleet
might be prohibitively expensive.

I don't know much about Oxford's bus routes, but would it be possible to
have a ZEV fleet operating in and just outside the ZEV zone, connecting to
conventional hybrid buses operating from the edge of the zone?

The proposed ZEV zone is actually quite small. Not a lot bigger than a
traditional pedestrianised town centre. It probably doesn't include any
bus routes.

So no problem?

Not in the sense that it could be embarrassingly deficient in the
absence of ZEV buses.

In the tiny Oxford ZEV zone?


London already has ZEV buses that only operate in the centre,
******
and I suppose
there could be a new fleet of PHEV buses with a limited ZEV range that's
enough to cover a central ZEV zone (rather like the new taxis).

Where do you put the transfer bus stations.

Sounds like it's a non-issue?

Other than either the immense cost of ZEV buses to populate inside the
N/S Circular (or wherever the boundary was that week) and transfer
stations to the less environmental buses for people with the temerity to
want to go from inside to outside the zone.

We were discussing Oxford, not London.

See ******


And there you go again, cropping out the relevant part of the conversation:

In message , at 19:14:04 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:34:45 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:13:57 on
Sun, 8 Sep 2019, Recliner remarked:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:06:49 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:42:15 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Recliner remarked:

It'll be interesting to see how Oxford's ZEV zone gets on.
There's bound
to be exceptions (ever seen a ZEV Fire Engine?) the question
will be how
far the exceptions will extend. Especially buses, where a ZEV fleet
might be prohibitively expensive.

I don't know much about Oxford's bus routes, but would it be possible to
have a ZEV fleet operating in and just outside the ZEV zone,
connecting to
conventional hybrid buses operating from the edge of the zone?

The proposed ZEV zone is actually quite small. Not a lot bigger than a
traditional pedestrianised town centre. It probably doesn't include any
bus routes.

So no problem?

Not in the sense that it could be embarrassingly deficient in the
absence of ZEV buses.

In the tiny Oxford ZEV zone?


London already has ZEV buses that only operate in the centre,
******
and I suppose
there could be a new fleet of PHEV buses with a limited ZEV range that's
enough to cover a central ZEV zone (rather like the new taxis).

Where do you put the transfer bus stations.

Sounds like it's a non-issue?

Other than either the immense cost of ZEV buses to populate inside the
N/S Circular (or wherever the boundary was that week) and transfer
stations to the less environmental buses for people with the temerity to
want to go from inside to outside the zone.

We were discussing Oxford, not London.

See ******


And there you go again, cropping out the relevant part of the conversation:

I deliberately cropped nothing.

The London-**** is more than halfway down, too. (So trimming down to
there was tempting).
--
Roland Perry